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re: Philosophy: Do you believe in a deterministic or indeterministic universe?

Posted on 2/24/15 at 3:19 pm to
Posted by rbWarEagle
Member since Nov 2009
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Posted on 2/24/15 at 3:19 pm to
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t's the only way free will can exist. If everything is deterministic, there's no free will.


I agree with you, though certain academics/scientists would disagree. Again, see Daniel Dennett (Elbow Room, for example).

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Free will means that I as a person can choose between alternatives A & B. In a deterministic universe, that choice has already been made.


In an indeterministic universe, events happen through random probability, even at the level of the brain. Therefore, the decision being made is made on the basis of said random probability. Free will, to me, doesn't make sense in that paradigm either.
Posted by catholictigerfan
Member since Oct 2009
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Posted on 2/24/15 at 3:44 pm to
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I agree with you, though certain academics/scientists would disagree. Again, see Daniel Dennett (Elbow Room, for example).



why can't there be a mix?

Think of it this way. A train has a determined end but those in the train are indetermined for their actions.

The earth has a determined end, but a single entity aka a human doesn't have a determined end. It is possible for higher beings, such as humans to have a indeterminate end and lower beings or objects, such as inanimate objects to have fixed ends.

The universe for the most part is deterministic, so the laws in place have lead to this world to exist. But those who have higher intellects aren't bound by a certain end.
This post was edited on 2/24/15 at 3:49 pm
Posted by Grim
Member since Dec 2013
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Posted on 2/24/15 at 3:46 pm to
I said we have free will for all intents and purposes . Even if every event is a consequence of all previous events, it is so complex that we could never predict what will happen and we feel like we have free will so what you call it really isn't important
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