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Could the Western Allies have taken Eastern Europe?
Posted on 1/4/15 at 4:06 pm
Posted on 1/4/15 at 4:06 pm
... in early 1945? Would it have led to nuking Moscow, and would we have employed German troops?
Posted on 1/4/15 at 4:07 pm to pensacola
I think so. They would have air superiority.
Posted on 1/4/15 at 4:10 pm to pensacola
Would have had to use german troops. The Russians had a ton of troops
Posted on 1/4/15 at 4:15 pm to pensacola
It certainly would have been possible, but really, really difficult. I'm leaning towards the Allies though.
Posted on 1/4/15 at 4:18 pm to pensacola
Maybe after the end of the Pacific war, but it would have cost as many casualties as invading Japan.
Posted on 1/4/15 at 4:24 pm to pensacola
The US Army would have mutinied. There was nearly a mutiny over the plan to send them to the Pacific en masse. Thus, a point system was developed that allowed men to go home based on length of service and combat decorations.
Not to mention the reaction of the home folks to their boys being thrown into a war vs what had ostensibly been our allies.
In other words, logistics and tactical considerations aside, it was an impossibility, politically and socially.
Not to mention the reaction of the home folks to their boys being thrown into a war vs what had ostensibly been our allies.
In other words, logistics and tactical considerations aside, it was an impossibility, politically and socially.
Posted on 1/4/15 at 4:28 pm to pensacola
Didn't the Russians kill more Germans than the allies combined? Russia lost a lot of people doing so though, so they might have been weak enough for the taking.
Posted on 1/4/15 at 4:53 pm to pensacola
Easily, Patton was pushing for this and Churchill saw the threat of Uncle Joe early on.
This post was edited on 1/4/15 at 4:54 pm
Posted on 1/4/15 at 6:07 pm to pensacola
Logistics favored us since I believe we could resupply our troops better than Russia. Plus we could have used the marines in the pacific to open a second front on their eastern shore. At the min we push them back to Russian borders before they sue for peace.
Posted on 1/4/15 at 6:22 pm to pensacola
Militarily it was possible. Ceteris paribus, the one factor not mentioned yet is do China and its allies get involved to contain
western Democratic expansion?
western Democratic expansion?
Posted on 1/4/15 at 10:55 pm to pensacola
Patton and his Third Army would've waltzed right to the Kremlin where Patton would've exited his open air jeep to piss on the steps like he stopped to piss into the Rhine en route to Berlin.
Posted on 1/4/15 at 10:58 pm to pensacola
Germany lost about three troops on the eastern front to every one on the western front. The Soviet Union was pretty stout by 1945. Oh yeah, and we were running out of money.
Posted on 1/4/15 at 11:01 pm to pensacola
quote:Yes, the Western Allies had the economic and military might to defeat the Soviet Union. However, they lacked the political will to do so, and it wasn't even contemplated as the war with Japan was still in progress.
Could the Western Allies have taken Eastern Europe?
quote:No, war with the Soviet Union would not have been resolved in early 1945, and it is doubtful that the Soviet Union would have taken kindly to the Western Allies declaring war even with the limited objectives of kicking the Soviet Union out of areas west of its pre-war borders. Also, the Allies would have had to replace the vast majority of their Sherman tanks, and equivalents, with Pershing tanks, and equivalents, before they would have been successful in set piece type engagements. That would have taken the better part of a year to accomplish.
... in early 1945?
quote:Yes to both! The bases for launching an aerial campaign against the Soviet Union with proper fighter escorts would have to have been established. There were plenty of possible locations within range of Moscow, and other strategically important targets, but they were not available in early 1945. Once the U.S. had employed nuclear weapons against Japan, assuming finishing that war was given priority, it is likely that countries within range of strategic targets in the Soviet Union would have been receptive to U.S. requests for alliances and establishment of airbases.
Would it have led to nuking Moscow, and would we have employed German troops?
Posted on 1/5/15 at 2:46 am to pensacola
I dunno
the Russians would fight down to the last man.
the Russians would fight down to the last man.
Posted on 1/5/15 at 5:36 am to pensacola
Define "Eastern Europe"? There was no reason to go into Russia. Fear was a reason not to. As the USA had little to zero reason. We, the US of A, went from number 15(?) to number one as the economic power in the world. So why frick that up?
I don't like that "N" word, but that war stuff has just been on semi slomo for 60 years. I'm not a doomsdayer, but we have been Waring since WW2. The plan back then was to stop communism around "that place over there".
To answer your question, I'm sure there would have been nukes.
You know 28 million Russians were killed during WW2, half were civilians?
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... in early 1945? Would it have led to nuking Moscow, and would we have employed German troops?
I don't like that "N" word, but that war stuff has just been on semi slomo for 60 years. I'm not a doomsdayer, but we have been Waring since WW2. The plan back then was to stop communism around "that place over there".
To answer your question, I'm sure there would have been nukes.
You know 28 million Russians were killed during WW2, half were civilians?
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