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re: Satanic Temple puts up display at Michigan Capital
Posted on 12/22/14 at 11:12 am to Hog on the Hill
Posted on 12/22/14 at 11:12 am to Hog on the Hill
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This is not a timeline issue. A fact is verifiable in the present. A belief is not verifiable in the present. Try to philosophize this all you want, but it does not change it. Again, I disagree. I play a shell game. I believe the ball is under the third shell because that's where it looked like it went. It is verifiable by picking up the shells. The fact is that the ball is under the second shell. My belief was wrong, but justifiable considering that I watched the shells move around. In this case, I'm taking "verifiable in the present" to mean "possible to be proven or disproven in the present" Maybe we're talking past each other?
I think we are talking past each other somewhat.
Until the moment you pick up that shell it is just a belief.
In that present moment and thereafter where the ball was is a fact.
1/1000th of a second before you verify it, it is still just a belief.
Posted on 12/22/14 at 11:16 am to Porkchop Express
quote:Let's consider a drug test. Bob smoked weed last week and none of his coworkers know it. They don't think he smokes weed because he doesn't seem like the type.
I think we are talking past each other somewhat.
Until the moment you pick up that shell it is just a belief.
In that present moment and thereafter where the ball was is a fact.
1/1000th of a second before you verify it, it is still just a belief.
Bob gets called in for a drug test. It's a fact that he smoked weed and will fail the test, but his coworkers believe that he will pass. The fact exists contemporaneously with the false belief that Bob will pass the test.
"Belief" and "fact" don't necessarily have to occupy distinct moments in time. There can be a fact, and a belief about the fact.
At least that's how I look at it.
This post was edited on 12/22/14 at 11:18 am
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