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re: Thoughts on The Hobbit: The Battle of 5 Armies (Spoilers)
Posted on 12/22/14 at 10:20 am to CocomoLSU
Posted on 12/22/14 at 10:20 am to CocomoLSU
1. Humans
2. Elves
3. Dwarves
4. Goblins
5. Wolves
It was less clear if existent at all in the movie that the wolves or wargs are a separate entity entirely from the goblins.
2. Elves
3. Dwarves
4. Goblins
5. Wolves
It was less clear if existent at all in the movie that the wolves or wargs are a separate entity entirely from the goblins.
Posted on 12/22/14 at 10:24 am to Peazey
So that's three responses, and basically three different answers. Glad I wasn't the only one who was confused by all of that.
Posted on 12/22/14 at 10:48 am to Peazey
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1. Humans 2. Elves 3. Dwarves 4. Goblins 5. Wolves It was less clear if existent at all in the movie that the wolves or wargs are a separate entity entirely from the goblins.
This disagrees - puts the Wargs and Goblins (and Bats) together, and considers the Eagles the 5th Army in the field
^^^^^^^^^
This is an accurate description of the battle (start to finish, including order of battle). Too bad PJ could not stick with this, as it would have been just as (if not more) exciting than what was on the screen, and would have made more sense (since the battle was written by a former British military officer that had fought in WWI and knew military tactics).
Also, the goblins (orcs) in the book were from the Misty Mountains (same ones the dwarves had escaped from earlier [Unexpected Journey]) and from the Grey Mountains (which were directly north of Mirkwood, and quite far away from Angmar LINK, although, I would note that the references to Gundabad are accurate).
PJ had the orc forces coming from Dol Guldur and Angmar to create a link to the later events in LOTR (as well as to help his "gap filling").
This post was edited on 12/22/14 at 10:53 am
Posted on 12/22/14 at 11:12 am to Peazey
quote:
1. Humans
2. Elves
3. Dwarves
4. Goblins
5. Wolves
It was less clear if existent at all in the movie that the wolves or wargs are a separate entity entirely from the goblins.
The issue is trying to fuse Lord of the Rings and the Hobbit. I do not believe he ever used the word orc or warg in the Hobbit but instead used goblin and wolf, though it is unclear if wolf and warg are meant to be the same.
But the wargs are simply the mounts for the orcs. So as you would not count horses as a separate army from elves or man, so too would you not count wargs as a separate army.
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