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re: Why is wanting better for LSU football a negative?

Posted on 12/15/14 at 9:05 pm to
Posted by Fratigerguy
Member since Jan 2014
4749 posts
Posted on 12/15/14 at 9:05 pm to
quote:

People have a basic misunderstanding of not only football, but philosophy. They think he flings it around the yard. He doesn't. Every team he leaves throws it significantly more after his departure.


It's awesome to see guys just post shite about Cam being some big "air it out" guy that Les is holding back. Obviously they haven't looked into what his problems were at the Ravens and one of the reasons he was let go.
Posted by Choctaw
Pumpin' Sunshine
Member since Jul 2007
77774 posts
Posted on 12/15/14 at 9:06 pm to
from Shea Dixon...

quote:

LSU head coach Les Miles went off the record with local media for the opening portion of his Monday press conference, and while the head man wasn't prepared to go on the record with his thoughts, what the local media learned was that Miles will not be the next head coach at Michigan.


Posted by SL Tiger
Houston
Member since May 2007
2224 posts
Posted on 12/15/14 at 9:30 pm to
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People have a basic misunderstanding of not only football, but philosophy. They think he flings it around the yard. He doesn't. Every team he leaves throws it significantly more after his departure.


I don't even know what point you are attempting to make. If you are talking about me specifically, you would be wrong. I played through HS and have volunteered my time as a coach for 6 years ( 2 Flag FB & 4 Youth League). While that doesn't give me anything close to the credentials of anyone on the LSU staff, I've invested the time in studying the game. Both as a player and as a coach.

I'm not sure if you are stating that "people" in general or as in LSU's fan base have a basic misunderstanding of football. I think that LSU's fan base is on par with most when it comes to football IQ. I don't think that anyone thinks that Cam has a " fling it around the yard" offense. I've never even seen any rational LSU fan asking for an unbalanced "pass first" offense.

What we saw this year was a coaching staff that failed to develop either of the 2 QB's who were both here since the beginning of spring practice. That's really not acceptable for top level recruits and the "highest paid" coaching staff in the land. That's the bottom line.
Posted by tigerfoot
Alexandria
Member since Sep 2006
56504 posts
Posted on 12/15/14 at 9:39 pm to
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don't think that anyone thinks that Cam has a " fling it around the yard" offense.


Nor do you think he has a power running approach, or whatever you meant by helmet cracking or whatever it was you said ,, just admit it. You don't know what you are mad about, you are just mad. My three year old does it sometimes too.
Posted by SL Tiger
Houston
Member since May 2007
2224 posts
Posted on 12/15/14 at 10:07 pm to
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Nor do you think he has a power running approach, or whatever you meant by helmet cracking or whatever it was you said ,, just admit it. You don't know what you are mad about, you are just mad. My three year old does it sometimes too.


I'm not mad...just disappointed. When a team puts 9 players in the box, it exposes other areas of the playing field. How often are you surprised by our play calling? Les seems to view a stacked box as a challenge and will continue to run b/w the tackles. I say "Les" because I have a hard time believing that Cam can't scheme against a team that is daring us to throw the ball.

Maybe I'm wrong and what we saw this year is actually all that our QB's were capable of.
Posted by luzana
St. Tammany
Member since Jul 2006
55 posts
Posted on 12/16/14 at 3:32 am to
These words could have very well been uttered by Nebraska's AD when he fired Bo Pelini
Posted by Folsom
Folsom
Member since Mar 2006
3309 posts
Posted on 12/16/14 at 5:28 am to
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It's not a negative, but some on here are completely happy with mediocrity. It's a result of the everyone gets a trophy generation.



I think you nailed it.
Posted by dgnx6
Baton Rouge
Member since Feb 2006
68930 posts
Posted on 12/16/14 at 5:31 am to
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The way I look at it is, if my kid makes a B in a class/course, am I being negative if I want him to try harder for an A.


Do you want your kid to pack his bags and leave for another family? Do you call him an idiot?
Posted by dgnx6
Baton Rouge
Member since Feb 2006
68930 posts
Posted on 12/16/14 at 5:32 am to
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It's not a negative, but some on here are completely happy with mediocrity. It's a result of the everyone gets a trophy generation. 


Who is happy with this season?

You may be rt, ticket sales only increased this year. Doesn't mean everyone is happy.

Also they started having multiple bowls games in n the 30s. So are you talking about that generation of everyone gets a trophy?
This post was edited on 12/16/14 at 5:40 am
Posted by ironsides
Nashville, TN
Member since May 2006
8153 posts
Posted on 12/16/14 at 6:17 am to
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Maybe I'm wrong and what we saw this year is actually all that our QB's were capable of.


Pretty much this. You will see what happens when Ohio State puts a 3rd string QB in against a top tier team. That's what we play in almost every SEC West game.

Also our WRs are young too. Next year will be way better. shite the bowl game will be way better
Posted by inadaze
Member since Aug 2010
4864 posts
Posted on 12/16/14 at 6:35 am to
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Which ones, and what are their teams' records vs Miles?


I won't speak for others on this, but I'm sure there are Alabama people who like the current arrangement. Miles is 3-6 vs. Saban, with a 4-game losing streak. Alabama is able to sign top players out of Louisiana regularly.

Miles has a 21-13 record vs. current SEC coaches. If Mullen leaves Mississippi St., that record will be 16-12 going into next season.
This post was edited on 12/16/14 at 8:06 am
Posted by ironsides
Nashville, TN
Member since May 2006
8153 posts
Posted on 12/16/14 at 6:47 am to
As long as we are cherry picking statistics, Miles is 34-3 in regulation during the regular season when he has a Sr QB
This post was edited on 12/16/14 at 7:01 am
Posted by WalkingTurtles
Alexandria
Member since Jan 2013
5913 posts
Posted on 12/16/14 at 6:55 am to
Mett was a senior and lost 3 games in the regular season. Your stat is incorrect.
This post was edited on 12/16/14 at 6:56 am
Posted by WalkingTurtles
Alexandria
Member since Jan 2013
5913 posts
Posted on 12/16/14 at 6:56 am to
Again, UGA, Alabama and Ole Miss in 2013. That's three.
Posted by inadaze
Member since Aug 2010
4864 posts
Posted on 12/16/14 at 6:57 am to
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I am interested to see what those numbers are like if you go from 2012 to 2014.


Wins from 2012-2014

Florida St. - 39
Ohio St. - 36
Alabama - 36
Oregon - 35
N. Illinois - 35
Louisville - 32
Clemson - 31
Central Florida - 31
Baylor - 30
Boise St. - 30
Michigan St. - 30

SEC Wins from 2012-2014

Alabama - 23
Georgia - 18
Missouri - 16
LSU - 15
South Carolina - 15
Florida - 14
Mississippi St. - 13
Texas A&M - 13
Auburn - 12
Ole Miss - 11
Posted by inadaze
Member since Aug 2010
4864 posts
Posted on 12/16/14 at 7:00 am to
quote:

As long as we are cherry picking statistics


No cherry picking. I was responding to a specific question about current SEC teams.
Posted by ironsides
Nashville, TN
Member since May 2006
8153 posts
Posted on 12/16/14 at 7:01 am to
OMG you guys you're right 34-3 sinks the entire argument about cherry picking stats. Also note other marquee SEC coaches shile starting a freshman or true sophmore QB:
Saban: 0-0
Spurrier: 30-21
Miles: 16-9
Meyer: 9-4
This post was edited on 12/16/14 at 7:21 am
Posted by Mulat
Avalon Bch, FL
Member since Sep 2010
17517 posts
Posted on 12/16/14 at 7:16 am to
quote:

SEC Wins from 2012-2014

Alabama - 23
Georgia - 18
Missouri - 16
LSU - 15
South Carolina - 15
Florida - 14
Mississippi St. - 13
Texas A&M - 13
Auburn - 12
Ole Miss - 11


This speaks for itself, what is there to clarify - Thanks for putting this together
Posted by 1984Tiger
North Carolina
Member since Apr 2006
7284 posts
Posted on 12/16/14 at 7:29 am to
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This speaks for itself, what is there to clarify

And what does it clarify? Auburn has an SEC and NC appearance during that time, yet they are at the bottom of the SEC based on those numbers. What do UGA and Missouri have to show for their prowess (they're the only 2 with better SEC records than LSU other than Bama).

So all it does is show that Bama has been heads and shoulders above all other SEC programs in that time span ... did that really need to be clarified? With the exception of a brief timespan after Stallings left, that's pretty much been the history of the SEC in a nutshell.
Posted by Mulat
Avalon Bch, FL
Member since Sep 2010
17517 posts
Posted on 12/16/14 at 7:39 am to
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So all it does is show that Bama has been heads and shoulders above all other SEC programs in that time span ... did that really need to be clarified?


YOU MAD because of the facts
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