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re: Why is wanting better for LSU football a negative?
Posted on 12/16/14 at 7:41 pm to LSUTigersVCURams
Posted on 12/16/14 at 7:41 pm to LSUTigersVCURams
quote:
A caller on Matt Moscona said it pretty well last week: "there is a vocal minority of LSU fans that won't be happy until the tigers go 14-0 and then fire the coach."
Well you gave credit so good for you. This is the best statement I've read on here in a very long time and the absolute most accurate.
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Posted on 12/16/14 at 7:52 pm to Boudreaux in SF
quote:
Hopefully you realize that bitching on a message board does absolutely nothing in fostering any type of change.
Exactly, but don't expect the program bashers here to be smart enough to understand that fact.
They are too busy being miserable about LSU football to know that nothing they post here means anything to anyone and has no impact on anything and will not change who plays QB or what offense LSU runs.
Posted on 12/16/14 at 8:35 pm to tigerlore
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Blaming the head coach lets the players off too light IMO.
Agreed.
Posted on 12/16/14 at 9:25 pm to RANDY44
It should be clear to all LSU fans that the SEC that Les Miles has competed in is superior to what the SEC has ever been in football and it is really NOT that close. Winning 79-80% of our games recently is harder than winning 79-80% of our games in the decades prior to these last 10 years.
Posted on 12/16/14 at 9:56 pm to LSU Groupee
As if the pumper rhetoric has anymore clout! 
What a fricking joke!
What a fricking joke!
Posted on 12/16/14 at 10:16 pm to 1984Tiger
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but it's not like this hasn't always been the case in the SEC. Yet, some posters want to make this all about Les Miles.
OK I see your point. I hope you can see mine. Les' inability to select, train and maintain a QB Corp will insure we never rise above where we are and in fact we are going backwards. I think that is more what I meant to speaking to when I said I appreciated the facts being written out like they were.
I wish Les would leave but that is unlikely, but I am not putting my head in the sand because he stays.
Posted on 12/16/14 at 11:34 pm to RedTigerRulz
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As if the pumper rhetoric has anymore clout
D-bag, no rhetoric here means anything, but there is a difference between coming here in support of LSU football and coming here continually with one agenda and that is to attack some part of the LSU football team because the guys busting their arse for LSU are not winning enough games or playing the style offense you like. It's not surprising to me that clowns like you who haven't done shite for LSU football get your rocks off putting down players or a coaching staff whose jock you couldn't carry on your best fricking day.
And I'm not talking about guys who come here to voice a complaint and move on after having their say. I'm talking about D-bags who rant and rant and rant over the same shite every fricking day. I'm talking about the miserable fricks like you who cant be happy unless they are pissing on some aspect of LSU football.
Shouldn't you be practicing your Roll Tide cheer?
This post was edited on 12/16/14 at 11:42 pm
Posted on 12/17/14 at 6:18 am to Draconian Sanctions
We are at the top in players going into nfl.
recruiting
payment to staff
strength and conditioning
facilities
So if coaching is not the problem, what do you think is?
recruiting
payment to staff
strength and conditioning
facilities
So if coaching is not the problem, what do you think is?
Posted on 12/17/14 at 7:06 am to cj2002
We are young as hell at key positions. Lsu started the second most true freshman in the sec.
Posted on 12/17/14 at 8:05 am to ItsThatDude12
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Why is wanting better for LSU football a negative?I'm not trying to say the miles apologists are lunatics. I've just seen how great of a recruiter miles is and it translates to 3-4 losses. Could you imagine if we got the same talent as arkansas? The stubbornness of Les has really caused the program to become stagnant.
Dude, I had a little discussion yesterday along these same lines, and these young fellows tried to set me on fire. If you don't think miles is the best coach in America, then you hate LSU, just like these idiots posted on here. Well, lunatics like you said, instead of idiots. Maybe they should watch a game or 2 not involving the Tigers, and see if there is any noticeable difference in coaching
Posted on 12/17/14 at 8:20 am to cheeser
quote:This guy again!
Dude, I had a little discussion yesterday along these same lines, and these young fellows tried to set me on fire. If you don't think miles is the best coach in America, then you hate LSU, just like these idiots posted on here. Well, lunatics like you said, instead of idiots. Maybe they should watch a game or 2 not involving the Tigers, and see if there is any noticeable difference in coaching
Posted on 12/17/14 at 8:36 am to That LSU Guy
Tomorrow, Thursday, commences the week before Christmas.
It might be time to allow events to unfold, observe and comment.
Beating Notre Dame is beating a big name. That sort of accomplishment never hurts recruiting. So, here's to the team from Louisiana winning a decisive victory.
PS This thread has been valuable to me because I have gained a deeper understanding of all of the points of view relevant to these issues.
It might be time to allow events to unfold, observe and comment.
Beating Notre Dame is beating a big name. That sort of accomplishment never hurts recruiting. So, here's to the team from Louisiana winning a decisive victory.
PS This thread has been valuable to me because I have gained a deeper understanding of all of the points of view relevant to these issues.
This post was edited on 12/17/14 at 8:41 am
Posted on 12/17/14 at 9:02 am to Mulat
quote:most overused words on this message board.
in fact
Posted on 12/17/14 at 9:07 am to joeytiger
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It's not a negative, but some on here are completely happy with mediocrity. It's a result of the everyone gets a trophy generation.
We've outplayed Bama 3 of the past 5 years and were a 4th and 10 stop away from beating them and being very much in the playoff discussion as late as week 11 this season.
If that's "mediocrity" then please sign me up for a lifetime pass.
Posted on 12/17/14 at 9:07 am to ItsThatDude12
I had a lengthy discussion about les with a group of friends of mine that all have different rooting interests. I feel like all too often this board is an echo chamber with 2 polarizing sides so every thread becomes nothing but personal snipes and no one is talking about football by page 3. heres some excerpts:
What would make things interesting is Miles to Michigan.
a declining Miles (who won't have the luxury of recruiting louisiana in his bathrobe) isn't nearly as interesting as Harbaugh joining a division of coaches with Urbz, Dantonio and Franklin.
Miles > Dantonio and Franklin. not even close
Out of Miles, Dantonio and Franklin, I'd take Miles.
I might be inclined to take Dantonio.
Agreed.
I'd take Dantonio over Miles all day everyday.
I'd put Miles in the second tier of active cfb coaches. Meyer and Saban are in the first tier.
Miles is Tier 1, IMHO, no doubt.
Miles may be a better recruiter(or maybe he just coaches on a amazingly talent rich state with no instate competition) than Dantonio, but there is no way you can convince me he is a better football coach.
It's difficult to not field a great team year in and year out at LSU. The talent pool there is heavy and the vast majority of them are very loyal and stay in state. He's let some get away, but with the amount of great talent in that state and the east coast of Texas every year, you'd have to try to not be successful there.
Stovall, Arnsparger, Archer, Curly Hallman and Dinardo would beg to differ.
until Saban got there, no one would have ever said that about LSU
You can't really argue with Lesticle's results. I think if you gave me his resume and took his name off the top of it, I'd choose the resume over Dantonio. Despite his accomplishments, I just don't think Les Miles is an intelligent person. I just don't understand how he has won like he has. I don't trust it. Deep down in my plums I feel like he's a fraud.
I give Miles a lot of credit for keeping going what Saban started there, but I think in this day and age, you'd have to be a terrible coach and recruiter to not have success at LSU. He just seems to win in spite of himself. That's not the kind of coach I want.
take that as you will, just thought I'd share real, actual opinions of people not in any way associated with LSU.
What would make things interesting is Miles to Michigan.
a declining Miles (who won't have the luxury of recruiting louisiana in his bathrobe) isn't nearly as interesting as Harbaugh joining a division of coaches with Urbz, Dantonio and Franklin.
Miles > Dantonio and Franklin. not even close
Out of Miles, Dantonio and Franklin, I'd take Miles.
I might be inclined to take Dantonio.
Agreed.
I'd take Dantonio over Miles all day everyday.
I'd put Miles in the second tier of active cfb coaches. Meyer and Saban are in the first tier.
Miles is Tier 1, IMHO, no doubt.
Miles may be a better recruiter(or maybe he just coaches on a amazingly talent rich state with no instate competition) than Dantonio, but there is no way you can convince me he is a better football coach.
It's difficult to not field a great team year in and year out at LSU. The talent pool there is heavy and the vast majority of them are very loyal and stay in state. He's let some get away, but with the amount of great talent in that state and the east coast of Texas every year, you'd have to try to not be successful there.
Stovall, Arnsparger, Archer, Curly Hallman and Dinardo would beg to differ.
until Saban got there, no one would have ever said that about LSU
You can't really argue with Lesticle's results. I think if you gave me his resume and took his name off the top of it, I'd choose the resume over Dantonio. Despite his accomplishments, I just don't think Les Miles is an intelligent person. I just don't understand how he has won like he has. I don't trust it. Deep down in my plums I feel like he's a fraud.
I give Miles a lot of credit for keeping going what Saban started there, but I think in this day and age, you'd have to be a terrible coach and recruiter to not have success at LSU. He just seems to win in spite of himself. That's not the kind of coach I want.
take that as you will, just thought I'd share real, actual opinions of people not in any way associated with LSU.
Posted on 12/17/14 at 9:20 am to cj2002
quote:
We are at the top in players going into nfl.
recruiting
payment to staff
strength and conditioning
facilities
So if coaching is not the problem, what do you think is?
what does "the top" mean? is it first? bc we are not first in those things. in fact, there's a team in LSU's division who's annually in the "top" of those things. i'd put that as a reason. the rise of the SEC West and SEC in general.
i believe the miles haters like to pretend everyting we have is better than everyone else including bama hoping to equate L's to only coaching.
Posted on 12/17/14 at 9:36 am to TDTGodfather
Just this once I wanted to say: FACT.
Not in response to anything at all. Just to use the word. Have a great day.
Not in response to anything at all. Just to use the word. Have a great day.
Posted on 12/17/14 at 9:51 am to SirWinston
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We've outplayed Bama 3 of the past 5 years and were a 4th and 10 stop away from beating them and being very much in the playoff discussion as late as week 11 this season.
If that's "mediocrity" then please sign me up for a lifetime pass.
do you honestly believe in your heart of hearts LSU beats arkansas? even if LSU had beaten bama, I still think they were going to lose that game. they had essentially no offensive line play, which resulted in absolute abysmal play from jennings.
not too mention this all ignores the fact that you are admitting that you are okay with moral victories, which gives me serious douche chills.
Posted on 12/17/14 at 10:06 am to Tom Ford
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do you honestly believe in your heart of hearts LSU beats arkansas?
Put it this way ... had LSU beaten 'Bama this year, the Arkansas game would have taken on a totally different complexion. May not have beaten them but LSU would not have been totally dominated like they were.
Posted on 12/17/14 at 10:11 am to dukke v
quote:You tell me. It keeps standing out to you when I say it.
SO..... What does this have to do with anything?????
No need to discuss it, though, since you and I agree that graduating from LSU is one of the coolest things a person can possibly do. No LSU supporter would ever disagree with such a thing, and you're no exception, I'm sure.
This post was edited on 12/17/14 at 10:12 am
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