re: Where does Mark Helfrich rank among CFB HCs?

It's hard to say. After last year, i thought helfrich was awful. They have obviously played much better this year, but as many others have noted, lets see how he does without mariota. I will give him credit, the team has improved a lot throughout the season, and in retrospect the arizona loss doesn't look as bad now.

The funny thing regarding the comparison to Shaw is that i knew from the stanford loss to okie state in the fiesta that shaw was a shitty coach, yet people kept pumping him up for the next 2 years. Now after this season everyone sees how he really was just riding the coattails of harbaugh and now all the momentum of the program is gone. Same as larry coker in miami.