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re: Rams won't apologize...
Posted on 12/2/14 at 10:50 am to the808bass
Posted on 12/2/14 at 10:50 am to the808bass
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Grand Jury got too much evidence. Awesome.
No. The Grand Jury got too much evidence presented by the DA's office who clearly did not want this to go to trial or they would have presented the evidence differently and would have presented much less and would have asked for an indictment, they way that they normally do.
The overload of evidence tipped the DA's hand as to what he was trying to do here. Was it legal? Yes. Do I have a problem with people disagreeing with his approach? NOT AT ALL. This is America where we should be able to express a dissenting opinion.
The Conservatives who want all of the protestors to shut up are acting like a bunch of Statists.
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Posted on 12/2/14 at 10:52 am to BlackHelicopterPilot
I was caught a little off-guard by how much the players' protest upset some people. Maybe I have more exposure to those on the left? Anyway, it didn't bother me at all and I took it as a a reasonable and appropriate - if wrongheaded - exercise of free speech. This nails it to me:
"I actually have no issue with what they did...other than the enduring symbolism is based on erroneous information."
"I actually have no issue with what they did...other than the enduring symbolism is based on erroneous information."
Posted on 12/2/14 at 10:53 am to StrongSafety
I'm of the opinion that Brown deserved to die that day based on my understanding of the facts.
I'm of the opinion that Wilson acted reasonably that day, based on my understanding of the facts.
I think a lot of people are really disappointed that the facts are what they are...and in stead want to focus in on every individual piece of info in an attempt to construct what they so desire in their hearts.
The bottom line is that the prosecutor knew he couldn't win the case...but he sent it to a GJ anyway. The the GJ didn't even indict...and the biggest complaint is that they had too much information.
The complainers want you to accept parts of the testimony of multiple witnesses while you ignore the fact that much of their testimony is obviously a lie due to the forensics.
Justice was done. Sorry.
I'm of the opinion that Wilson acted reasonably that day, based on my understanding of the facts.
I think a lot of people are really disappointed that the facts are what they are...and in stead want to focus in on every individual piece of info in an attempt to construct what they so desire in their hearts.
The bottom line is that the prosecutor knew he couldn't win the case...but he sent it to a GJ anyway. The the GJ didn't even indict...and the biggest complaint is that they had too much information.
The complainers want you to accept parts of the testimony of multiple witnesses while you ignore the fact that much of their testimony is obviously a lie due to the forensics.
Justice was done. Sorry.
Posted on 12/2/14 at 10:54 am to MrTide33
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these players serve as role models for many children
Raise your own children. If they are old enough to understand, talk to them about it.
Posted on 12/2/14 at 10:54 am to Hawkeye95
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There is absolutely no reason why players shouldn't be able to voice their opinions on the matter.
During a game? there is absolutely a reason why they shouldn't be doing that.
Posted on 12/2/14 at 10:55 am to moneyg
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During a game?
Wasn't during the game.
Posted on 12/2/14 at 10:55 am to Jim Ignatowski
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This is the only way we can take America back from the racist radicals who have taken over!!!
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It is also every one else's right not to support that organization....in any way. That includes not buying tickets or jerseys...and not supporting any of the corporate sponsors of the Rams.
And in this vein, I'm sure you supported the other NBA Owners in their quest to remove Donald Sterling, right?
This post was edited on 12/2/14 at 10:57 am
Posted on 12/2/14 at 10:57 am to moneyg
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During a game?
wasn't during the game, it was during the pre-game.
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there is absolutely a reason why they shouldn't be doing that.
If they hindered their team performance or was massively distracting, I would agree. This was neither. This was putting their hands in the air which happens to be a common gesture in football.
Posted on 12/2/14 at 10:58 am to MrTide33
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The problem with the Rams demonstration is that these players serve as role models for many children and it perpetuates an erroneous divisive fact. Although the protests also do this, those are protesters. These guys are some kids' heroes and them saying it may confirm it to them
they are under no obligation to align their behavior to your world view b.c your kid has their jersey. It just doesn't work this way.
Posted on 12/2/14 at 10:59 am to AlaTiger
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There were mistakes made and irregularities
Mistakes and irregularities would benefit the defendant...not the prosecutor.
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But, when you have 16 eyewitnesses disagreeing and when we do not know exactly WHEN the bullet entered Brown's arm, I can understand why people do not agree with the decision to NOT take this to trial.
This is about as intellectually dishonest as you can get. Everyone knows that a LOT of that has been totally discredited by forensic evidence.
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The backlash against people who disagree with the Grand Jury is astounding to me, especially for the peaceful protestors.
So, you DO disagree with the Grand Jury? Are you changing your mind?
Posted on 12/2/14 at 11:00 am to AlaTiger
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The Conservatives who want all of the protestors to shut up are acting like a bunch of Statists.
Ridiculous.
I don't want the government to shut down the protesters. I just think the basis if the protesters' argument is fabricated and proven false. And, it's embarrassing. And, because of the fabrication, things went way too far and rioting and looting occurred. So, there has been real harm.
Posted on 12/2/14 at 11:03 am to Tactical1
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Wasn't during the game.
It was during pre-game introductions. Call it what you want, but my point stands.
Posted on 12/2/14 at 11:03 am to moneyg
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This is about as intellectually dishonest as you can get. Everyone knows that a LOT of that has been totally discredited by forensic evidence.
Forensic evidence has discredited that Brown had his hands up before being shot or while being shot?
Really?
Link?
Posted on 12/2/14 at 11:04 am to Hawkeye95
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If they hindered their team performance or was massively distracting, I would agree. This was neither. This was putting their hands in the air which happens to be a common gesture in football.
They made a statement that was not endorsed by the NFL or the St. Louis Rams. And, that statement happens to be disagreed with by many of the fans of the organization because it just isn't supported by facts.
It doesn't take much to make a reasonable argument against that action.
Posted on 12/2/14 at 11:06 am to moneyg
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I don't want the government to shut down the protesters. I just think the basis if the protesters' argument is fabricated and proven false. And, it's embarrassing. And, because of the fabrication, things went way too far and rioting and looting occurred. So, there has been real harm.
People wanting a trial cannot be proven false. It is their opinion. This is America. They have a right to protest. Why are white people all across America so upset? Wilson walked. Some people are upset. Deal with it.
As for the rioting and looting, I agree. Innocent people were hurt. Everyone doing that should be arrested and put away. BUT, I do not agree with guilt by association like the Left tries to pin on the Tea Party and Religious Conservatives and others. Each person is responsible for their own actions. Just because a loon on the Right gets violent does not mean that Rush Limbaugh is responsible because he "created a climate" that disagreed with the President.
Conservatives are trafficking in Liberal methods here. It is disturbing.
Posted on 12/2/14 at 11:13 am to moneyg
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It was during pre-game introductions. Call it what you want, but my point stands.
right, belief asserted despite the facts
Posted on 12/2/14 at 11:20 am to Hawkeye95
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they are under no obligation to align their behavior to your world view b.c your kid has their jersey. It just doesn't work this way.
yea that might have been the dumbest post in this thread. Sorry you let Tavon Austin raise your kids?Posted on 12/2/14 at 11:22 am to moneyg
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They made a statement that was not endorsed by the NFL or the St. Louis Rams. And, that statement happens to be disagreed with by many of the fans of the organization because it just isn't supported by facts.
And the NFL and Rams decided they were cool with it. What now?
Posted on 12/2/14 at 11:23 am to Hawkeye95
I must say, the butthurt in this thread is quite palpable.
Posted on 12/2/14 at 11:25 am to N.O. via West-Cal
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I was caught a little off-guard by how much the players' protest upset some people. Maybe I have more exposure to those on the left? Anyway, it didn't bother me at all and I took it as a a reasonable and appropriate - if wrongheaded - exercise of free speech. This nails it to me:
"I actually have no issue with what they did...other than the enduring symbolism is based on erroneous information."
This post was edited on 12/2/14 at 11:26 am
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