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re: Why do most conservatives embrace a lack of evidence re: climate change but not religion?

Posted on 11/23/14 at 9:40 am to
Posted by Roger Klarvin
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Posted on 11/23/14 at 9:40 am to
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Whoever wrote that is so ignorant that their entire argument can safely be dismissed. It would literally be impossible for a human author to have no worldly influence. That's the entire point of using human authors--they speak the language of their societies.


If God allows flawed human perception into his official holy book of record, I question that God's foresight.

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Mithraism was founded in 80 AD. Approximately five decades after Christianity.


And? Some of christianity's current doctrines didnt arise until over a thousand years after Christ. Moreover, the time origin of either makes no statement regarding shared practice.

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The "Jesus=Horus/Mithra/etc" trash has been thoroughly debunked several times on this board.


Agreed, for the most part. Ive defended christianity against such accusations in the past here.

There is no denying however that much of the imagery and practices, especially in the catholic church, are pulled straight from the Roman pagan practices of the first and second centuries. And a huge portion of the OT was written after the Babylonian exile, where the Hebrews borrowed extensively from Babylonian legends. The great flood is literally ripped straight out of Babylon.
This post was edited on 11/23/14 at 9:43 am
Posted by Bestbank Tiger
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Posted on 11/23/14 at 11:16 am to
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If God allows flawed human perception into his official holy book of record, I question that God's foresight.


That doesn't make sense. A divinely inspired author living in present-day Louisiana would make references to SEC football, crawfish boils, offshore drilling, hurricanes, or rice and sugar farming. That's not a matter of flawed human perception. It's a matter of delivering a message in terms your audience understands. That's the very definition of foresight.

With no cultural influence, that same author would make references cricket, snowmobiles, mountain climbing, and yak's milk. Which would be just as valid but the intended audience would be confused.

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And? Some of christianity's current doctrines didnt arise until over a thousand years after Christ. Moreover, the time origin of either makes no statement regarding shared practice


It completely undermines the claim that Christianity was copied from Mithraism. The one that existed first was the original. Christianity was significant enough by the 60s that Caligula and Nero thought it was worth persecuting--and at that point, they had to be able to distinguish it from Judaism and from other, now-forgotten messianic movements. It just so happened that the central authorities looked at it and said "hey, this is good stuff, let's use some of it."

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There is no denying however that much of the imagery and practices, especially in the catholic church, are pulled straight from the Roman pagan practices of the first and second centuries


There's a much more direct link to Judaism. The Eucharist is the central feature of Mass and it comes from the Last Supper, which was a Seder meal.

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And a huge portion of the OT was written after the Babylonian exile, where the Hebrews borrowed extensively from Babylonian legends.


It wasn't written after the exile. Older writings were collected in one place and canonized after the exile. Kings and Chronicles were obviously written after the return from exile, but those are condensed versions of historical records that were extant at the time. The authors simply highlighted the most important points of each reign and placed them in a theological context--and each passage ends with "the rest of the acts of _____ are written in..." or similar wording. Further, a lot of the kings are mentioned in the records of neighboring civilizations. Hazael is an example--he backed Jehu's coup against the house of Omri and (as he often did) pumped up his contribution to the result.

As far as flood myths, those are almost universal and there's a good reason for that. Sea level is a LOT higher than it was during the last ice age. Which, to get back to the OP's question, proves there must have been even more SUVs 10,000 years ago than there are today, because there was a catastrophic, widespread flood as a result.
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