re: Guys who don't touch their chest on the bench press

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I said bench press wasn't particularly healthy, not weight training

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except that your statement of

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They want to use strenuous free weight exercises that will leave them with terrible bones, muscles, and ligaments when they are old farts.

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is basically an indictment of all free-weight training, which when done properly is actually good for your bones, muscles, and ligaments.

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and lots of stretching

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to your average joe means static stretching, so you're being misleading at best.

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But of course everyone wants big muscles that will eventually turn into fat

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most of the guys i know who work out just want to stay in shape and keep their bodies healthy. weight training (bench included) is a fine way to do this. also muscle never "turns into" fat... a hilariously outdated misconception.



it's like you didnt read anything that you wrote in your original post.