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re: Liberalism 101; Why Gruber was "right" to Lie about Obamacare

Posted on 11/15/14 at 11:44 am to
Posted by Ace Midnight
Between sanity and madness
Member since Dec 2006
89660 posts
Posted on 11/15/14 at 11:44 am to
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He asserted that the only way the ACA could have passed was for politicians to lie about what was in it. They relied on the ignorance of the common voter in areas concerning economics and got away with it rather easily because the common voter does not understand (or does not care about) basic economics - especially young liberals.


But the system can't work that way - we either need to go back to the original system, relying on the legislatures of the states and the 10th Amendment, or we need to crucify gameplaying a$$holes like Gruber, Pelosi, Reid and, yes, Obama. I know we're going to need a lot of crosses if we do that, and Ds and Rs aplenty will have to be put on them, but sometimes a surgeon has to cut to cure.
Posted by RollTide1987
Augusta, GA
Member since Nov 2009
65147 posts
Posted on 11/15/14 at 11:47 am to
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But the system can't work that way - we either need to go back to the original system, relying on the legislatures of the states and the 10th Amendment


This would be the ideal system. Which is why we will never revert back to the way it was. Liberals don't want individual states involved in the process. In their hearts and minds, they believe the federal government knows what is best for all 315 million citizens of the United States.

Can you imagine what would have happened to ACA if the state legislatures still picked and recalled senators? It would never have passed.
This post was edited on 11/15/14 at 11:50 am
Posted by mmcgrath
Indianapolis
Member since Feb 2010
35487 posts
Posted on 11/15/14 at 11:50 am to
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But the system can't work that way - we either need to go back to the original system, relying on the legislatures of the states and the 10th Amendment, or we need to crucify gameplaying a$$holes like Gruber, Pelosi, Reid and, yes, Obama. I know we're going to need a lot of crosses if we do that, and Ds and Rs aplenty will have to be put on them, but sometimes a surgeon has to cut to cure.
I am pretty independent in my ways, but the government should be embarrassed for doing business with such an idiot in such a key position. I have worked with a number of people who have fought for my causes but have had the same line of thinking when it comes to voters. That line of thinking is pretty lazy and I would never allow anyone like that to control any "messaging". But it is very common in politics.
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