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re: Liberalism 101; Why Gruber was "right" to Lie about Obamacare
Posted on 11/15/14 at 11:35 am to Ace Midnight
Posted on 11/15/14 at 11:35 am to Ace Midnight
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-He said Romneycare only works if they ripped off the Feds - essentially, Ted Kennedy, Mitt Romney and he conspired to steal to make it work. So, they always knew that it couldn't work in a revenue-neutral way at the Federal level because there was no one from whom to steal.
-They had to call the 40% tax on the insurance company, when in reality, it was a tax on insurance policy holders or it wouldn't have passed (He said it still works, because the tax charge added is the same as the top marginal rate). ETA: He also said that when the bills came due, the "stupid" people would blame the insurance company and exchanges instead of the administration.
-CBO had to be fooled into scoring it incorrectly -if scored correctly, it would not ahve passed (this is key because most of the Dems, Pelosi particularly, relied upon this fudging to counter Republican's correct criticisms of the costs).
- If the truth were told and it was known that this was a plan to, effectively, rob the young and healthy to pay for the healtcare of the sick and uninsured, it wouldn't have passed - the bill had to be written in a (either tortued or tortuous way - I don't want to misquote him) in order to achieve all these ends in a non-transparent way.
The insulting part (although not terribly untrue) is that he contends that the relative stupidity of the American people on basic economics was key to passing the law.
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BTW, people that think voters are stupid are pretty low-IQ themselves, and are usually in denial about their inept ability to communicate or even comprehend what they are talking about.
Posted on 11/15/14 at 11:39 am to mmcgrath
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Thanks again!
No problem - there may be more - but those are the biggest ones off the top of my head that I didn't have to research - and those are just the lies - virtually everything he said was outrageous and anti-democratic - your guys should be as ashamed of him as we are of Rove and Cheney - probably more, because y'all are supposed to be the good guys, remember?
Posted on 11/15/14 at 11:41 am to mmcgrath
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BTW, people that think voters are stupid are pretty low-IQ themselves, and are usually in denial about their inept ability to communicate or even comprehend what they are talking about.
Even the Founding Fathers realized the public, as a whole, was stupid. That's why there were restrictions early on concerning which people could vote and which people could not. There was no guaranteed right to vote in this country at the outset. That didn't develop until the Jacksonian Era. Dr. Gruber may be a POS but he does have a point. He asserted that the only way the ACA could have passed was for politicians to lie about what was in it. They relied on the ignorance of the common voter in areas concerning economics and got away with it rather easily because the common voter does not understand (or does not care about) basic economics - especially young liberals.
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