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re: Liberalism 101; Why Gruber was "right" to Lie about Obamacare
Posted on 11/15/14 at 11:31 am to ShortyRob
Posted on 11/15/14 at 11:31 am to ShortyRob
quote:Yes it is. It doesn't seem like there is a lot of straightforward discussion in the media.
Jeebus. Can't you just watch the videos and here what HE HIMSELF described as lies? Is that so hard?
What I have gathered is the following:
1) Gruber stated that voters are "idiots".
2) Gruber stated that charging the insurance companies instead of patients "hid" charges becuase the voters were "stupid." Not sure what charges he is referring to.
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Posted on 11/15/14 at 11:32 am to mmcgrath
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2) Gruber stated that charging the insurance companies instead of patients "hid" charges becuase the voters were "stupid." Not sure what charges he is referring to.
That's the Cadillac tax.
Posted on 11/15/14 at 11:33 am to mmcgrath
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2) Gruber stated that charging the insurance companies instead of patients "hid" charges becuase the voters were "stupid." Not sure what charges he is referring to.
If you didn't understand that he was saying "if we admitted what this bill was really about, then it couldn't have passed" then I can't help you.
Why do you think he believed it wouldn't pass? I mean shite. It had majorities in both chambers. The problem was, if the VOTERS heard the truth, the Senators would've folded.
I mean cmon. You're being willfully obtuse.
Posted on 11/15/14 at 11:37 am to mmcgrath
Imagine if you worked as hard to understand a thing as you did to try not to understand a thing.
Of course if you did that, you'd have to abandon Liberal Orthodoxy, and that could be dangerous to our shared Transformational Project. So let's not do that. Playing dumb works like a charm almost every time.
Of course if you did that, you'd have to abandon Liberal Orthodoxy, and that could be dangerous to our shared Transformational Project. So let's not do that. Playing dumb works like a charm almost every time.
Posted on 11/15/14 at 11:40 am to mmcgrath
quote:You're right about that.
It doesn't seem like there is a lot of straightforward discussion in the media.
The media are ignoring this almost completely, save for Fox News and conservative talk radio.
Posted on 11/15/14 at 11:51 am to mmcgrath
quote:Here is what Gruber said . . .
2) Gruber stated that charging the insurance companies instead of patients "hid" charges becuase the voters were "stupid." Not sure what charges he is referring to.
quote:
“Economists have called for 40 years to get rid of the regressive, inefficient and expensive tax subsidy provided for employer provider health insurance,” Gruber said at the Pioneer Institute for public policy research in Boston. The subsidy is “terrible policy,” Gruber said. “It turns out politically it’s really hard to get rid of,” Gruber said. “And the only way we could get rid of it was first by mislabeling it, calling it a tax on insurance plans rather than a tax on people when we all know it’s a tax on people who hold those insurance plans.”
and here is what Jay Carney said in response to questions at a press briefing in 2010 . . .
quote:
“I would disagree with your notion that it is a tax on an individual since the proposal is written as a tax on an insurance company that offers a plan.”
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