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re: Liberalism 101; Why Gruber was "right" to Lie about Obamacare
Posted on 11/15/14 at 11:30 am to mmcgrath
Posted on 11/15/14 at 11:30 am to mmcgrath
quote:
Can anyone list the "lies" that Gruber is supposed to have revealed? With a little detail?
-He said Romneycare only works if they ripped off the Feds - essentially, Ted Kennedy, Mitt Romney and he conspired to steal to make it work. So, they always knew that it couldn't work in a revenue-neutral way at the Federal level because there was no one from whom to steal.
-They had to call the 40% tax on the insurance company, when in reality, it was a tax on insurance policy holders or it wouldn't have passed (He said it still works, because the tax charge added is the same as the top marginal rate). ETA: He also said that when the bills came due, the "stupid" people would blame the insurance company and exchanges instead of the administration.
-CBO had to be fooled into scoring it incorrectly -if scored correctly, it would not have passed (this is key because most of the Dems, Pelosi particularly, relied upon this fudging to counter Republicans' correct criticisms of the costs).
- If the truth were told and it was known that this was a plan to, effectively, rob the young and healthy to pay for the healthcare of the sick and uninsured, it wouldn't have passed - the bill had to be written in a (either tortued or tortuous way - I don't want to misquote him) in order to achieve all these ends in a non-transparent way.
The insulting part (although not terribly untrue) is that he contends that the relative stupidity of the American people on basic economics was key to passing the law.
This post was edited on 11/15/14 at 11:37 am
Posted on 11/15/14 at 11:35 am to Ace Midnight
quote:Thanks again!
-He said Romneycare only works if they ripped off the Feds - essentially, Ted Kennedy, Mitt Romney and he conspired to steal to make it work. So, they always knew that it couldn't work in a revenue-neutral way at the Federal level because there was no one from whom to steal.
-They had to call the 40% tax on the insurance company, when in reality, it was a tax on insurance policy holders or it wouldn't have passed (He said it still works, because the tax charge added is the same as the top marginal rate). ETA: He also said that when the bills came due, the "stupid" people would blame the insurance company and exchanges instead of the administration.
-CBO had to be fooled into scoring it incorrectly -if scored correctly, it would not ahve passed (this is key because most of the Dems, Pelosi particularly, relied upon this fudging to counter Republican's correct criticisms of the costs).
- If the truth were told and it was known that this was a plan to, effectively, rob the young and healthy to pay for the healtcare of the sick and uninsured, it wouldn't have passed - the bill had to be written in a (either tortued or tortuous way - I don't want to misquote him) in order to achieve all these ends in a non-transparent way.
The insulting part (although not terribly untrue) is that he contends that the relative stupidity of the American people on basic economics was key to passing the law.
BTW, people that think voters are stupid are pretty low-IQ themselves, and are usually in denial about their inept ability to communicate or even comprehend what they are talking about.
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