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re: Almost 28 months later: TDKR vs The Avengers revisited
Posted on 4/30/15 at 2:54 pm to Das Jackal
Posted on 4/30/15 at 2:54 pm to Das Jackal
The Avengers was pure popcorn entertainment. However, the film does not survive on its own. You will have had to watch all of the other MCU movies before you can dive into big event film. I had a lot of fun when I went to see The Avengers in theaters but still gave it a B+ because it didn't take any risks and Coulson's death didn't resonate for me as much as Marvel probably would have liked. However, when they brought Coulson back for Agents of SHIELD I think it kind of weakened The Avengers. After all, his death served as a catalyst for The Avengers finally setting aside their differences and teaming up to fight Loki and his army.
The Dark Knight Rises explored modern-day issues and resonated with me more for it. In this post-Dark Knight era, comic book films need to be something more than just sheer entertainment. They need to explore things that would not have been explored 15 years ago. We have definitely come a long way since that summer of 2000 when a little film called X-Men kind of jump-started this whole thing.
The Dark Knight Rises explored modern-day issues and resonated with me more for it. In this post-Dark Knight era, comic book films need to be something more than just sheer entertainment. They need to explore things that would not have been explored 15 years ago. We have definitely come a long way since that summer of 2000 when a little film called X-Men kind of jump-started this whole thing.
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Posted on 4/30/15 at 3:04 pm to RollTide1987
Nolan's movies had something at stake for me to care about
once the lights went out on Rachel dawes, I was on edge...anyone can die. In TDKR, that meant batman too.
you saw the people suffering as a result of the crime epidemic in all 3 movies, but in avengers you just see a building fall, you never see the people who get fricked when that building falls (say what you will for MoS, but we got to see the disaster killing people and had something at stake while they were terraforming )
once the lights went out on Rachel dawes, I was on edge...anyone can die. In TDKR, that meant batman too.
you saw the people suffering as a result of the crime epidemic in all 3 movies, but in avengers you just see a building fall, you never see the people who get fricked when that building falls (say what you will for MoS, but we got to see the disaster killing people and had something at stake while they were terraforming )
Posted on 4/30/15 at 3:08 pm to Draconian Sanctions
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It's objectively a much worse movie. It's not even about taste, it's about knowing what you're talking about.
No one has ever been a bigger know-it-all than you, DS.
Posted on 4/30/15 at 3:12 pm to DelU249
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once the lights went out on Rachel dawes, I was on edge...anyone can die. In TDKR, that meant batman too.
Rachel Dawes was ultimately no more important than Coulson when it comes to character deaths.
Both were made specifically for the movies, both were used to move characters to action (and in Batman's case, being a cry baby quitter)
This post was edited on 4/30/15 at 3:13 pm
Posted on 4/30/15 at 3:15 pm to Dr RC
Her role was much better in TDK, they elevated her role, made a love triangle
Then killed her
the theater went dead silent (midnight showing canal place) no one expected it, and you do care about her
Who is coulson? Is that the guy with 1 minute of screen time in 5 movies? Seriously I don't know who that is
Then killed her
the theater went dead silent (midnight showing canal place) no one expected it, and you do care about her Who is coulson? Is that the guy with 1 minute of screen time in 5 movies? Seriously I don't know who that is
Posted on 4/30/15 at 3:18 pm to DelU249
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Who is coulson? Is that the guy with 1 minute of screen time in 5 movies? Seriously I don't know who that is
come on brah
Posted on 4/30/15 at 3:19 pm to DelU249
So you havent watched the films but you are gonna critique them?
Posted on 4/30/15 at 3:20 pm to Dr RC
I'm pretty sure it's that guy, I don't know.
I don't remember anyone dying in the avengers
I don't remember anyone dying in the avengers
Posted on 4/30/15 at 3:21 pm to DelU249
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Who is coulson? Is that the guy with 1 minute of screen time in 5 movies? Seriously I don't know who that is
Posted on 4/30/15 at 3:21 pm to jcole4lsu
I've dun seent it twice
Tried a third and cut it off. It bothers me that I'm the only one who didn't love this movie.
Tried a third and cut it off. It bothers me that I'm the only one who didn't love this movie.
Posted on 4/30/15 at 3:22 pm to DelU249
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Fox Mulder
tread lightly bro, Marvel fans take offense to any critique of these films.
Posted on 4/30/15 at 3:23 pm to RLDSC FAN
RC and I are kewl, but yeah. I dont know (I think I do) who coulson is
I haven't seen the avengers TV show
I dont know (I think I do) who coulson is I haven't seen the avengers TV show
Posted on 4/30/15 at 3:23 pm to RLDSC FAN
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tread lightly bro, Marvel fans take offense to any critique of these films.
at least the 2nd time youve posted this exact thing in this thread.
get a new schtick.
Posted on 4/30/15 at 3:24 pm to jcole4lsu
ok, did I get under your skin dude?
did I get under your skin dude? Posted on 4/30/15 at 3:26 pm to RLDSC FAN
I think you are just trying too hard. I'm hardly a marvel can do no wrong fanboy, I just don't jump on the hate anything thats cool bandwagon.
Posted on 4/30/15 at 3:31 pm to jcole4lsu
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I just don't jump on the hate anything thats cool bandwagon.
could you show me where I've ever hated on these films? I'll wait.
I like Marvel films, I grew reading the comics, I just find it funny how Marvel fans react to any criticism of these films. Not just here, but on other sites as well. Go check out IMDB, posters over there are going nuts because so many critics are giving it bad reviews.
Posted on 4/30/15 at 3:32 pm to jcole4lsu
Well that's your assumption. I don't doubt people and critics will shite on the avengers to be the cool dissenting nerd, but if I'm being honest...I thought the avengers sucked. Not overrated, not meh, not ok...I thought it was a transformersesque turd. I think the first transformers movie is actually better
Posted on 4/30/15 at 3:33 pm to RLDSC FAN
I saw it, it tickles my funny bone
I also like that fanboys have repackaged themselves as nerds (like hey, we're smart)
The avengers isn't nerdy. Superheroes aren't nerdy
Star Trek I is nerdy (and awesome)
I also like that fanboys have repackaged themselves as nerds (like hey, we're smart)
The avengers isn't nerdy. Superheroes aren't nerdy
Star Trek I is nerdy (and awesome)
Posted on 4/30/15 at 3:34 pm to DelU249
Really? You can't remember the death that caused everyone to put aside their differences to kick Loki's arse?
Loki stabbed him in the back and through the heart. They even had to re-edit the scene b/c the MPAA was going to rate the film R over it.
He was also in Iron Man, Iron Man 2, and Thor.
Loki stabbed him in the back and through the heart. They even had to re-edit the scene b/c the MPAA was going to rate the film R over it.
He was also in Iron Man, Iron Man 2, and Thor.
This post was edited on 4/30/15 at 3:40 pm
Posted on 4/30/15 at 3:37 pm to RLDSC FAN
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could you show me where I've ever hated on these films?
could you point to where I claimed you did?
I don't peruse the imdb forums, so I wouldnt know anything about that. I don't see anything wrong with anyone bashing the OP though. Marvel fan or not, that post just oozes dbag know it all.
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