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re: A Featured RB

Posted on 10/29/14 at 5:08 am to
Posted by The Pain Train
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Posted on 10/29/14 at 5:08 am to
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htran90

So in the 6 drives he participated in, his loss of yards caused us to get a 3&out, once. Defense held 0 points after that punt as well.


The defensive stand is an extra and usually inconsistent variable cast upon the opportunity that an offensive player gave to the other team. In other words, if the defense had held or gotten a turnover after Khiry's fumble, there would be no "he cost the team 3 points" argument. Conversely, if the defense had allowed the Lions to score a TD after Ingram's involvement with the 3 & out, then that would help create a different argument to that situation.

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Point and case of "tired" and how useless of an argument it is.


That was one case and it wasn't directly comparable to the GB vs. NO game since neither team there had their bye yet. There are going to be situations in which the bye week doesn't show up significantly behind the statistics. However, as I have said before, it seemed pretty obvious that the Saints started to look generally and significantly better coming off their week 6 bye.

The GB game was a special night. It was a primetime game in the Dome. For the most part, the whole team didn't do much wrong. Drew always ups his game for a primetime home game and others follow. If it can somehow carry over to Thursday night and become somewhat of a norm, then great! I don't think we should expect those types of performances that night by Drew and Mark (and others) to be the new norm. It would be great if that turned out to be true, but I don't think it's too likely.

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No one is ignoring their talents. They are good players, but there's no point to force the hot hand to sit down to "rest him" or split the snaps 1/3 each like we did in weeks 1 and 2 because the others are talented.



Ingram got 7 yards on 2 carries during the first drive in ATL. He got 4 yards on 2 carries with a 1 yard reception on the second drive. He didn't establish a "hot hand." Khiry entered the game on the Saints 3rd possession and had a 21 yard run that helped lead to the Saints first TD of the game (a 2 yard run by Khiry). If anyone was establishing the "hot hand" at that point, it was Khiry.

The Cleveland game was bad gameplanning from the start as the Saints came out trying to pass too much. Ingram clearly should have gotten more than 11 carries that game.

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We don't even have a single RB that has hit 70 carries, so wear and tear is not going to be an issue. The hot hand is also only 24 years old, he's fresh enough.



If you give Ingram 20-25 carries a game the rest of the way, that's roughly 200 more carries. Add in another 20-25 for the first round playoff game and he is a RB with 225 carries over the past 10 weeks trying to carry the full load on the road against a playoff team with a full week's rest under their belt - maybe even two weeks off in the past eight weeks if it's a team with a late regular season bye like Dallas.

The Cowboys are in a bit of a different situation with Murray in that they have a week 11 bye, so if they run him hard for the first 10 weeks, he then gets a week off followed by just 6 more regular season games before the playoffs start. Once again on this though, I doubt anyone would be too surprised if Murray were to get hurt along the way.

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You honestly don't want me to compare the game 1/2 distributions as well. Khiry actually lost more yards or stuffed at the LOS more times than Ingram did in the first two games. Similar opponents, just like you guys wanted.


What makes you think you are such an expert on what I "honestly want"? I'm not shying away from anything. Sometimes Khiry gets stuffed more than Ingram and sometimes it's the other way around (like the Detroit game). That just helps show that one back isn't always going to be significantly better than the other(s) on any given day.
Posted by TigerBait1127
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Member since Jun 2005
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Posted on 10/29/14 at 5:39 am to
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If you give Ingram 20-25 carries a game the rest of the way, that's roughly 200 more carries. Add in another 20-25 for the first round playoff game and he is a RB with 225 carries over the past 10 weeks trying to carry the full load on the road against a playoff team with a full week's rest under their belt - maybe even two weeks off in the past eight weeks if it's a team with a late regular season bye like Dallas.



We are 3-4. That kind of thinking would get a coach fired. You play to win the individual games.

Slim chance Ingram goes the rest of the season with missing a game due to injury anyways.

He did just fine with 200 carries in college. Adrian Peterson, Lynch, McCoy, Morris, etc. all handle that kind of workload.

He's in a contract year and probably not resigning. Run him until he breaks
Posted by htran90
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Member since Dec 2012
30137 posts
Posted on 10/29/14 at 11:34 am to
Look at run heavy teams. History tells me he'll be fine if we run him 200+ times from now until the end of the season. This is the halfway mark in the season and Dallas gets their bye week, but Murray ran very well in game #8. I think you're worrying too much about tired RBs. These aren't the same 28+ y/o running backs that have years of tread on them. Murray and Ingram are young 24-25 year old running backs with minimal NFL wear and tear.

Marshawn Lynch:
301 carries
1257 yards
4.2 ypc

Playoffs:
65 carries
288 yards
4.43 ypc

At the age of 27 and 1452 carries in his career going into last season.
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