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You seriously need to go back and read because I in no way blatantly ignored that Khiry fumbled it. When it was mentioned, I said "Yes, he did" and then questioned about the other comparable aspects of the RB's in that game, which, ironically, was blatantly ignored.

I'm not ignoring the fact he didn't produce numbers on 10 carries. It isn't a good game.

1st drive:
1. 2 yards -> 3rd and 5 -> DET penalty (1st down) -> ended up punting 10 plays later.

2nd drive:
2. -3 yards -> 3 and out; DET ends up punting as well

3rd drive:
3. 5 yard -> 2nd and 5 -> NO penalty -> 3 and out

4th drive:
4. -4 yards -> 2nd and 14 -> Kenny Stills 1st down
5. continuing drive: 1 yard gain; DET penalty -> 1st down
6. continuing drive: -3 yards -> 3rd and 4 -> Marques Colston 1st down -> FG

5th drive:
7. 14 yards -> 1st down; NO penalty FS 1st and 15
8. continuing drive: 0 yards -> 2nd and 15 -> FG

6th drive:
9. 3 yards -> +DET penalty -> 1st down
10. 1 yard -> 2nd & 9 -> Drew Brees INT

In those 10 rushes, he lost yards 3 times, got stuffed for 0 once, and the rest were minimal gains with one big one. None of those runs gave them points. His 1st drive, 10 plays after his 2 yard gain we punted. Khiry had a 5 yard run in one of those 10 plays. The other 9 were all passes.
1st drive: 1 run, he was rotated out and 10 plays later punt
2nd drive: his fault, made it long, punt
3rd drive: he gained 5 yards, we got a holding penalty (10 yards) so that was stupid
4th drive: we ended up with a FG
5th drive: we ended up with a FG
6th drive: Drew Brees throws an INT

So in the 6 drives he participated in, his loss of yards caused us to get a 3&out, once. Defense held 0 points after that punt as well.

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Since you think the Minnesota run defense was tired after just the first two games of the season, then how do you think Green Bay's defense felt after seven games while then having to play an entire offense that just had a full week's rest just two weeks prior? There was no rest differential between the Saints offensive lines and their opponents' defensive lines for weeks 2 & 3.

Point and case of "tired" and how useless of an argument it is.
Dallas + Murray: 8 games, 208 carries on the year
Washington Defense: 8 games, 15th ranked (111.1ypg; 4.15ypc)
Murray's statline: 19 rushes 141 yards 7.4ypc

Both teams were tired and Murray has 200+ carries of tread on the season. yet he had his highest YPC on a pretty stingy run defense. There was no rest for any team, but yet he was able to do that.

The point is, the best RB on both Cowboys' and Saints' team did their job AND more vs. teams they should have dominated on the ground. Not the same can be said with Robinson.

Robinson = 2 games
Minnesota = 2 games
"meh" numbers in regards to YPC and total yardage their defense allows.

Murray = 8 games
Washington = 8 games
Higher YPC and YPG numbers than their defense allowed.

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Ultimately, I don't really much care how the Saints have to get the job done as my Saints fandom is greater than my desire to win an Internet argument. If that means Ingram has to end up being a true feature back, then so be it. However, at this point in time, I don't think it is necessary to ignore the talents of Khiry and Pierre as they have each shown in times past that they can get the job done and until that is proven patently false in terms of this team going forward, there is no reason not to work them into gameplans.

No one is ignoring their talents. They are good players, but there's no point to force the hot hand to sit down to "rest him" or split the snaps 1/3 each like we did in weeks 1 and 2 because the others are talented.

Randle is just as talented of a RB as PT/Khiry is to Ingram, but you don't see Dallas ceding so many carries/snaps to him to keep Murray fresh. They give Murray a breather here or there, but he still maintains a 10:1 ratio to Joseph in snaps/runs/passes. With the way you guys were talking about distribution, it ends up becoming something like 30 snaps-20 snaps-20 snaps, which is what we did in games 1 and 2 and it just isn't working on the road.

We don't even have a single RB that has hit 70 carries, so wear and tear is not going to be an issue. The hot hand is also only 24 years old, he's fresh enough.