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For LSU Fans That Think Miles Only Wins With Talent
Posted on 10/9/14 at 8:25 am
Posted on 10/9/14 at 8:25 am
I guess the same can be said with Saban.
He has the last 4 #1 classes.
At Michigan State he put up mediocre records of 6-6 and 7-5 and finally had one break through season at 9-2. So obviously he didn't have enough talent there.
He comes to LSU and loses to UAB and many LSU fans dismiss that now as him not having "his" talent recruited yet. He loses to a probation Alabama 31-0 at home in 2002. I guess he didn't have enough "talent" then either.
Finally he has the talent after a monster 2001 class and we win the title in 2003.
The point is that Saban didn't finally win because of smoke and mirrors. He won because he brought talent in.
Why does Miles get criticized for winning on talent but Saban doesn't?
He has the last 4 #1 classes.
At Michigan State he put up mediocre records of 6-6 and 7-5 and finally had one break through season at 9-2. So obviously he didn't have enough talent there.
He comes to LSU and loses to UAB and many LSU fans dismiss that now as him not having "his" talent recruited yet. He loses to a probation Alabama 31-0 at home in 2002. I guess he didn't have enough "talent" then either.
Finally he has the talent after a monster 2001 class and we win the title in 2003.
The point is that Saban didn't finally win because of smoke and mirrors. He won because he brought talent in.
Why does Miles get criticized for winning on talent but Saban doesn't?
This post was edited on 10/9/14 at 8:26 am
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Posted on 10/9/14 at 8:26 am to BeeFense5
sabansessed
Posted on 10/9/14 at 8:28 am to BeeFense5
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For LSU Fans That Think Miles Only Wins With Talent
yeah this is one of the dumbest things I see some talking about on this board
every consistently successful coach in history wins on talent
sure less talented teams can and will beat more talented teams, but on a consistent basis, talent wins the vast majority of times
just look at the recruiting rankings and they will line up with the top 10 teams most years
Posted on 10/9/14 at 8:29 am to BeeFense5
People complain about Miles because only one championship, and it was a while back. We want to stay relevant.
Posted on 10/9/14 at 8:37 am to BeeFense5
Dantonio> Saban 
Posted on 10/9/14 at 8:37 am to BeeFense5
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Why does Miles get criticized for winning on talent but Saban doesn't?
Miles doesn't get criticized for "winning on talent". Nobody in the world thinks you can consistently win at this level with poor talent.
It's always amazing to see LSU fans defend Miles by criticizing Saban's tenure at LSU. As if you just don't remember where the program was when Saban was hired vs where it was when Miles was hired.
Someone last night even had the gall to pretend that Les's 2 SEC/1 NC carry the same weight as Saban's, as if they don't realize that Saban did it in a 5 year tenure instead of Les's 10 year tenure.
I don't even like Saban, but it's just disingenuous to ignore context when talking about his time here vs Miles's time here.
Posted on 10/9/14 at 8:38 am to BeeFense5
Could be wrong, but I think the team had some good talent when he got here.
Posted on 10/9/14 at 8:39 am to BeeFense5
LSU fans are TOTALLY Saban-sessed.
It's like the hot ex-GF that they can't let go of, even after she goes on to be a Super Model and they are stuck at their old truck-driving job.
It's like the hot ex-GF that they can't let go of, even after she goes on to be a Super Model and they are stuck at their old truck-driving job.
Posted on 10/9/14 at 8:50 am to BeeFense5
Holy shite. If you can't see that the great talent Saban puts on the field is consistently more focused, more disciplined and better prepared than the great talent Miles puts on the field you're blind, delusional, retarded, or all three. His teams have talent and great coaching. That's why he has four times as many NCs as Miles.
Posted on 10/9/14 at 8:53 am to BeeFense5
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Why does Miles get criticized for winning on talent but Saban doesn't?
Since the 2011 season, Les Miles has done much less "winning" then Saban.
Posted on 10/9/14 at 8:56 am to BeeFense5
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This post was edited on 10/9/14 at 9:12 am
Posted on 10/9/14 at 9:10 am to BeeFense5
Please don't compare Miles to Saban. Saban has won 3 national titles in the last 5 seasons, this being the 6th (add in a 4th title while at LSU). While it's true that no matter how good of a coach you are, you have to have talent, it's also true that Nick Saban is by far >>>>> Les Miles.
As for Saban handcuffing his OC's, do you want to compare the qb numbers of LSU and Bama qb's since Jimbo Fisher left?
As for Saban handcuffing his OC's, do you want to compare the qb numbers of LSU and Bama qb's since Jimbo Fisher left?
Posted on 10/9/14 at 9:10 am to BeeFense5
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Miles Only Wins With Talent
dumbest argument on this board. anyone who says this should be immediately dismissed as a fool.
Posted on 10/9/14 at 9:18 am to BeeFense5
Because he can't manage a clock, won't throw over the middle, won't change the offensive game plan, won't force his defensive coordinator to change something, and can't communicate. Also looks comatose on the sidelines and if I have to lip read "what happened?" One more time with his hands in the air, I'll just give up.
Posted on 10/9/14 at 9:30 am to BeeFense5
you make some really good points
I for one have calmed down since Saturday and become more rational
I for one have calmed down since Saturday and become more rational
Posted on 10/9/14 at 9:49 am to BeeFense5
You'll defend Les until he's gone huh brah?
Posted on 10/9/14 at 10:16 am to BeeFense5
We sure seem to have a ton of threads about miles . Why does he need to be defended is all is great In tiger land ? I say , let's root for our guys to Continue to get better, and worry about the coach after the season.
This post was edited on 10/9/14 at 10:17 am
Posted on 10/9/14 at 11:18 am to BeeFense5
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Why does Miles get criticized for winning on talent but Saban doesn't?
don't you think the talent on LSU & Alabama has been fairly even?
Posted on 10/9/14 at 12:07 pm to BeeFense5
Players almost universally praise Miles. That indicates to me that he does the things a head coach should, and does them well. Occasionally you hear from disgruntled players. Does anyone ever consider the fact that this likely says more about that players character than it does about Miles' coaching ability? And maybe that player's character is the reason they didn't accomplish what they wanted?
Posted on 10/9/14 at 12:50 pm to BeeFense5
No people say Miles DOES NOT win with talent. He beats the cupcakes and scrapes by against the middle of the road teams. We have one two loss natty title in 10 years and have produced more NFL talent than anyone over that time. Miles has a losing reocrd against top 5 teams and only one game above .500 against top ten teams. He's a mediocre coach who can't keep players or develop them. Fact.
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