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Pew Poll from the Maher/Affleck
Posted on 10/7/14 at 3:45 pm
Posted on 10/7/14 at 3:45 pm
Sorry if Germans, but I thought this was interesting. Its easy to look at this and skim through for the bits and pieces which support your blind hatred/defense of Muslims, but its worth looking at all the numbers as they paint quite a complex picture. (e.g many of the war torn areas are much more extreme)
The numbers, imo, are troubling and while I agree with Afflecks sentiment that casting a broad stroke is wrong, the numbers do point to a very large number of Muslims believing in some seriously hardcore shite.
Pew Polling of 38000 Muslims
The numbers, imo, are troubling and while I agree with Afflecks sentiment that casting a broad stroke is wrong, the numbers do point to a very large number of Muslims believing in some seriously hardcore shite.
Pew Polling of 38000 Muslims
Posted on 10/7/14 at 3:48 pm to AUbused
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while I agree with Afflecks sentiment that casting a broad stroke is wrong
The problem is that neither Maher nor Harris were doing that, but Affleck just acted like an 8 year old idiot who could only argue by shouting down the other two. He was way out of his league, especially with Harris.
This post was edited on 10/7/14 at 3:49 pm
Posted on 10/7/14 at 3:48 pm to AUbused
LOL "moderate" Turkey. trackfan will probably hide from this thread.
Posted on 10/7/14 at 4:04 pm to AUbused
I don't think it's just an Islam issue. It goes a little deeper than that. It's cultural. A developed, useful and liberal culture can maintain it's religion and beliefs. In the case of Christianity and Judaism, they've evolved along with their societies while maintaining their core moral views.
Muslims haven't, because their culture hasn't evolved. Every culture seeks to advance. When you fail at electricity, at infrastructure, at education, at science, at art, at music, at everything the rest of the world values, you still have a strong desire to advance. So you advance in the easier ways, by fighting and overpowering. This causes another problem. In the early days of Islam, Muslims could successfully fight with nearly anyone and in most cases win. They can't now. Their lack of development has forced them out of even a military advancement. They simply don't have the weapons, the science or the infrastructure to do now what their ancestors did. What could be done on horseback and with swords now requires satellites, rockets, missiles, planes, bombs, artillery, ships, submarines, nuclear weapons and the internet.
So now they're forced into what amounts to a cycle. Abject failure on every meaningful front brings forth extremism and a desperate attempt to succeed at something. Namely, jihad. But they can't even succeed at that anymore. And that brings out more extremism.
It's not just that Islam isn't working, it's that nothing there is, and Islam is the vehicle they use to act out. It's a useless culture with no sign of reform.
All that said, it's their useless culture. Not ours. We don't need to stop it or try to fix it unless and until it begins to threaten us. I'm not convinced, right now, that it does.
#FTnottrolling
Muslims haven't, because their culture hasn't evolved. Every culture seeks to advance. When you fail at electricity, at infrastructure, at education, at science, at art, at music, at everything the rest of the world values, you still have a strong desire to advance. So you advance in the easier ways, by fighting and overpowering. This causes another problem. In the early days of Islam, Muslims could successfully fight with nearly anyone and in most cases win. They can't now. Their lack of development has forced them out of even a military advancement. They simply don't have the weapons, the science or the infrastructure to do now what their ancestors did. What could be done on horseback and with swords now requires satellites, rockets, missiles, planes, bombs, artillery, ships, submarines, nuclear weapons and the internet.
So now they're forced into what amounts to a cycle. Abject failure on every meaningful front brings forth extremism and a desperate attempt to succeed at something. Namely, jihad. But they can't even succeed at that anymore. And that brings out more extremism.
It's not just that Islam isn't working, it's that nothing there is, and Islam is the vehicle they use to act out. It's a useless culture with no sign of reform.
All that said, it's their useless culture. Not ours. We don't need to stop it or try to fix it unless and until it begins to threaten us. I'm not convinced, right now, that it does.
#FTnottrolling
Posted on 10/7/14 at 4:09 pm to AUbused
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I agree with Afflecks sentiment that casting a broad stroke is wrong
Not when you have a big canvas.
Posted on 10/7/14 at 4:12 pm to FT
Islam has maintained its core moral views because it never had moral views. Their idea of converting non-believers was by holding a sword to their necks and shouting "covert or die!"
Islam is not a religion. Islam is a disease.
Islam is not a religion. Islam is a disease.
Posted on 10/7/14 at 4:13 pm to FT
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Muslims haven't, because their culture hasn't evolved. Every culture seeks to advance. When you fail at electricity, at infrastructure, at education, at science, at art, at music, at everything the rest of the world values, you still have a strong desire to advance. So you advance in the easier ways, by fighting and overpowering. This causes another problem. In the early days of Islam, Muslims could successfully fight with nearly anyone and in most cases win. They can't now. Their lack of development has forced them out of even a military advancement. They simply don't have the weapons, the science or the infrastructure to do now what their ancestors did. What could be done on horseback and with swords now requires satellites, rockets, missiles, planes, bombs, artillery, ships, submarines, nuclear weapons and the internet.
So now they're forced into what amounts to a cycle. Abject failure on every meaningful front brings forth extremism and a desperate attempt to succeed at something. Namely, jihad. But they can't even succeed at that anymore. And that brings out more extremism.
They ran out of Christians, Jews, and Hindus to exploit for their knowledge. The "Islamic Golden Age" that people talk about is bullshite. Islamic science, math, architecture, etc. is all stolen/taken.
Posted on 10/7/14 at 4:15 pm to RollTide1987
quote:Of course they have moral views. They just have a remarkable number of terrible ones.
Islam has maintained its core moral views because it never had moral views.
quote:Um... Yes? Not sure why you're telling me that.
Their idea of converting non-believers was by holding a sword to their necks and shouting "covert or die!"
quote:I wouldn't go that far. In the Middle East and Africa, yes, but it's mostly harmless elsewhere.
Islam is not a religion. Islam is a disease.
Mostly.
Posted on 10/7/14 at 4:16 pm to TN Bhoy
quote:Absolutely. The only real Golden Age they had was that of the Ottoman Empire, and even then it was only "golden" by pitiable standards.
They ran out of Christians, Jews, and Hindus to exploit for their knowledge. The "Islamic Golden Age" that people talk about is bullshite. Islamic science, math, architecture, etc. is all stolen/taken.
Posted on 10/7/14 at 4:17 pm to RollTide1987
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Islam is a disease.
Sort of OT, but have you seen the HBO doc on the Westgate Mall attack? I just watched it last night. Thoroughly disturbing.
Posted on 10/7/14 at 4:56 pm to Tom288
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He was way out of his league, especially with Harris.
He really was. I don't know if I would have had the restraint that Sam showed. Affleck should reserve his opinion for less informed individuals to rally behind in their ignorance.
Posted on 10/7/14 at 10:59 pm to FT
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Muslims haven't, because their culture hasn't evolved.
Islam drives their culture.
Posted on 10/7/14 at 11:06 pm to FT
Ok, so why are Christians, living side-by-side with Muslims in the same uncivilized cultures, dealing with the same poverty in the Middle East and Africa, not violent?
Posted on 10/7/14 at 11:40 pm to AUbused
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I agree with Afflecks sentiment that casting a broad stroke is wrong,
You didn't understand the point that Maher, et al were making. They weren't trying to paint with a broad brush at all.
You're just as ignorant as Affleck.
Posted on 10/7/14 at 11:45 pm to trackfan
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Most of the folks that I know who purport to be Christians, spout the New Testament, but they live their lives by the Old Testament.
These Christians you know are stoning their rebellious sons, and killing their daughters for lying about virginity? Really?
It is Muslims doing the stonings and honor killings. Not Christians.
Posted on 10/7/14 at 11:52 pm to AUbused
The numbers for Egypt are disturbing.
Posted on 10/8/14 at 12:32 am to ManBearTiger
The numbers for Egypt are disturbing. Which was exactly Maher's point.
Posted on 10/8/14 at 3:15 am to trackfan
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trackfan
I am shocked that you completely skipped over the poll in the OP
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Posted on 10/8/14 at 5:13 am to trackfan
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Most of the folks that I know who purport to be Christians, spout the New Testament, but they live their lives by the Old Testament. The Amish live their lives by the New Testament
Most of the people you know have mid wives/cocubines? And the fricking Amish in a thread about Muslims? Full retard. Is Jebodah running around with a slingshot telling Muslims convert or die?
Truth is your gay loving tolerant progressive Muslim buddies are the minority by a landslide, and most Muslims would justify chopping their heads off before yours.
Posted on 10/8/14 at 5:25 am to FT
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but it's mostly harmless elsewhere.
Mostly.
They mostly come at night, mostly.
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