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re: Liberian officials confirm Texas Ebola patient, knew he was infected b4 travel
Posted on 10/3/14 at 4:37 pm to NC_Tigah
Posted on 10/3/14 at 4:37 pm to NC_Tigah
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I know everyone wants to crucify this guy, but if he thought he had Ebola wouldn't he have passed that on to doctors here when he was trying to get treatment? As questionable as it appears in hindsight, there is no definitive evidence any of those involved realized the 19y/o pregnant girl had Ebola.
Quoted for truth.
It's interesting how knowing you are infected is interchangeable with knowing you were exposed.
It's not even 100% sure that he knew he was exposed.
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Posted on 10/3/14 at 4:39 pm to NC_Tigah
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There is a possibility the girl was told by the hospitals she didn't have Ebola when they refused to take her in, and he was proceeding with that thought in mind.
But remember, she died before he left Liberia and he knew that too.
Posted on 10/3/14 at 4:40 pm to Volvagia
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It's not even 100% sure that he knew he was exposed.
It's 99.9%
Posted on 10/3/14 at 4:42 pm to Alahunter
Infected individuals have every motivation to hide their illness long enough to get here. For this reason alone there should be restrictions on travel.
Posted on 10/3/14 at 4:48 pm to Scoop
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Infected individuals have every motivation to hide their illness long enough to get here. For this reason alone there should be restrictions on travel.
Yep. Best case he was the dumb luck blueprint for optimal survival chances
Posted on 10/3/14 at 4:50 pm to trackfan
quote:I'm not jumping on anyone's bandwagon here. Just simply saying the guy may have been given erroneous information by medical personnel. e.g., the 19y/o was suffering from severe eclampsia, or something of the sort, and would be safer if cared-for away from Monrovia's Ebola-ridden hospital wards.
But remember, she died before he left Liberia and he knew that too.
To repeat, focus on the Ebola man distracts (deliberately IMO) from the real problem here. Assuming the action was 100% deliberate, people will do bad things. The system failure is allowing those bad things to have a preventable impact. Whether deliberate or not, the impact in this case was preventable.
Posted on 10/3/14 at 4:50 pm to Scoop
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Infected individuals have every motivation to hide their illness long enough to get here.
Nuff said.
Posted on 10/3/14 at 5:50 pm to NC_Tigah
Our most basic genetic programming makes "Take one for the team and die" completely unrealistic. When faced with death, a person will not only do anything to survive, but will not have the logical thought processes to even consider the ramnifications of their attempt to survive.
Imagine 100 people with terminal cancer. You tell them there is a country that can can cure their cancer. You tell them that 3 of them have a nuclear device implanted in them that will detonate when they land in that country. 75% of them will go and take their chances.
Imagine 100 people with terminal cancer. You tell them there is a country that can can cure their cancer. You tell them that 3 of them have a nuclear device implanted in them that will detonate when they land in that country. 75% of them will go and take their chances.
This post was edited on 10/3/14 at 5:53 pm
Posted on 10/3/14 at 6:22 pm to Scoop
I think the reason there's never been a case of someone with Ebola coming here in the previous 40 years is because there's been a screening process in place to deny those with symptoms from leaving, and there are probably very, very few people in Liberia with the financial wherewithal to come up with the cash to cover the cost a plane ticket at a moment's notice, and who would spend that cash on a plane ticket on a hunch the they've contracted Ebola but are still in the incubation period. My theory is that this is the case of the perfect storm, where someone who already had a trip planned to the U.S., contracted Ebola close enough to his departure that he was still in the incubation period when he boarded the plane.
Posted on 10/3/14 at 6:37 pm to trackfan
quote:You post that as if 50% is a positive stat.
espite the facts that he was showing no symptoms and 50% of Africans survive Ebola
I don't know about you but if someone tells me I've got a disease with a 50% kill rate, I consider those some shitty odds.
I damned sure would pay for the ticket to get me where I'd be treated.
That's why quarantines exist.
Posted on 10/3/14 at 6:42 pm to SettleDown
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I don't know about you but if someone tells me I've got a disease with a 50% kill rate, I consider those some shitty odds.
I damned sure would pay for the ticket to get me where I'd be treated.
That's if you knew you had contracted Ebola, he didn't. FYI, only a small percentage of the people who are exposed to Ebola, contract Ebola.
Posted on 10/3/14 at 6:46 pm to Alahunter
Between Liberia, the TSA and the CDC I don't see what could have went wrong.
Nevermind the topic of why are we bringing Liberians here when we have an 'immigration' problem.
Nevermind the topic of why are we bringing Liberians here when we have an 'immigration' problem.
Posted on 10/3/14 at 6:50 pm to constant cough
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Nevermind the topic of why are we bringing Liberians here when we have an 'immigration' problem.
Do you mean a Mexican problem? Anyway, this guy came here on a tourist visa to visit family, he's not immigrating. I know you don't want to eliminate tourist visas, do you?
Posted on 10/3/14 at 7:04 pm to the808bass
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It's 99.9%
Your landlord knocks on the door and says he needs help getting his daughter to the hospital and you think she might have Ebola......do you help him?
This post was edited on 10/3/14 at 7:06 pm
Posted on 10/3/14 at 7:17 pm to trackfan
quote:Actually, the main reason is previous outbreak areas were remote and rural. So poverty and accessibility were likely both limitations. Symptomatic screening, as at present, was/is always a barrier.
I think the reason there's never been a case of someone with Ebola coming here in the previous 40 years is because there's been a screening process in place to deny those with symptoms from leaving
This post was edited on 10/3/14 at 7:20 pm
Posted on 10/3/14 at 7:22 pm to Volvagia
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Your landlord knocks on the door and says he needs help getting his daughter to the hospital and you think she might have Ebola......do you help him?
I wouldn't help a family member without taking extraordinary precautions to protect myself. I assume this guy didn't do that. Eviction is better than death.
This post was edited on 10/3/14 at 7:23 pm
Posted on 10/3/14 at 7:46 pm to trackfan
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That's if you knew you had contracted Ebola, he didn't
That's an assumption. He lied about being exposed to it during the health screening before leaving. That would lead a reasonable person to believe he had at the very least.. believed he had been exposed to it and/or infected by it.
Posted on 10/3/14 at 7:55 pm to Alahunter
quote:quote:That's an assumption.
That's if you knew you had contracted Ebola, he didn't
quote:That's an assumption.
He lied about being exposed to it during the health screening before leaving.
Posted on 10/3/14 at 8:01 pm to Alahunter
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That's an assumption. He lied about being exposed to it during the health screening before leaving. That would lead a reasonable person to believe he had at the very least.. believed he had been exposed to it and/or infected by it.
Yes, he knew he had been exposed to Ebola, but he didn't know that he had contracted Ebola until 8-10 days after he helped the pregnant woman. As I already pointed out, only a small percentage of the people who are exposed to Ebola contract it. My guess is that most people who are exposed assume that they aren't one of the unlucky ones until they have Ebola symptoms.
Posted on 10/3/14 at 8:05 pm to NC_Tigah
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That's an assumption.
Agreed. Knowing something and suspecting something are two different things, but it stretches credulity to think that he didn't suspect that the pregnant woman had Ebola after she died, even if he didn't know it.
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