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WWTOBD? One in the chamber edition
Posted on 9/25/14 at 8:24 pm
Posted on 9/25/14 at 8:24 pm
One of my employees brought his .45 to work today to show me (show it off) in my office. He hands it to me in its holster and tells me it's not loaded. So I pull it out of its holster and eject the mag. Inspect, there's no rounds in the mag. I rack it back and a round comes flying out. I kind of lost my shite on the guy for handing me the loaded gun.
So WWTOBD, did I overreact?
I may have hurt his feelings a bit with a bit of harsh name calling.
So WWTOBD, did I overreact?
I may have hurt his feelings a bit with a bit of harsh name calling.
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Posted on 9/25/14 at 8:27 pm to DLauw
Overreacted, gun was in the holster.
Posted on 9/25/14 at 8:28 pm to DLauw
No room to be stupid with guns.
Good job of checking. Hopefully he realizes how easily you could have messed up and never does it again.
People get far too overconfident in their gun handling and should be humbled when it happens.
Good job of checking. Hopefully he realizes how easily you could have messed up and never does it again.
People get far too overconfident in their gun handling and should be humbled when it happens.
This post was edited on 9/25/14 at 8:29 pm
Posted on 9/25/14 at 8:31 pm to DLauw
I would have lost my shite as well if that happened. You don't worry about feelings when someone's life is at stake. Maybe the arse chewing will make him more aware next time
Posted on 9/25/14 at 8:32 pm to DLauw
No, he shouldn't hand over a loaded gun, proper procedure is to pull back slide when he hands it over. He'll learn a lesson cause of u
Posted on 9/25/14 at 8:37 pm to DLauw
I can't say that you weren't justified in getting mad...but I don't know that calling him names was the most professional (or most intelligent) thing to do...
Posted on 9/25/14 at 8:41 pm to DLauw
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So WWTOBD, did I overreact?
No. I clear any weapon, personally, before I hand it to anyone else. That should be everyone's practice, 100% of the time. Combine that with keeping the muzzle in a safe direction and nobody gets shot on accident, ever, ever.
Posted on 9/25/14 at 8:42 pm to DLauw
You did what you should have in inspecting it, good job. I probably would have just handed the mag and handgun back to him while keeping the round. Then I'd have said, now it's not loaded.
Posted on 9/25/14 at 9:37 pm to DLauw
Treat every weapon as if it were loaded.
You did that. Good job.
Don't treat every weapon owner as if they know how to handle a weapon.
If you
and
then, yes, I would say you overreacted.
Next time remain calm and seize the opportunity to constructively pass your wisdom and extensive knowledge of firearms handling etiquette on to someone who may need it and would probably be appreciative of it.
If they didn't already, your employee now thinks of you as a dumbass and/or a huge pussy.
You did that. Good job.
Don't treat every weapon owner as if they know how to handle a weapon.
If you
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kind of lost my shite on the guy
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hurt his feelings a bit with a bit of harsh name calling.
then, yes, I would say you overreacted.
Next time remain calm and seize the opportunity to constructively pass your wisdom and extensive knowledge of firearms handling etiquette on to someone who may need it and would probably be appreciative of it.
If they didn't already, your employee now thinks of you as a dumbass and/or a huge pussy.
Posted on 9/25/14 at 10:08 pm to DLauw
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I rack it back and a round comes flying out. I kind of lost my shite on the guy for handing me the loaded gun.
I would lose my shite too. There is no such thing as an unloaded gun.
Posted on 9/26/14 at 5:43 am to DLauw
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So WWTOBD, did I overreact?
no, I treat every gun, as if it's loaded. As someone said, once I had it in my hands, I would put it down and away, then rack it. If a bullet came flying out, I would have been pretty pissed too, especially, if he brought it to work. On mistake, in that instance, and someone could be dead, or seriously hurt.
Posted on 9/26/14 at 6:00 am to DLauw
One of the primary rules of firearm safety is to ensure the firearm is cleared and unloaded at all times unless you're on target and ready to squeeze the trigger.
Even if you watched him clear the mag and rack the slide, the first thing you should do when anyone hands you a firearm is check for a round in the chamber (who's to say the extractor isn't broke and even with racking the slide, the round could still be in the chamber, right?)
You did the right thing by checking for yourself. I kinda believe that moments like that are self-teaching. Even if you hadn't berated him in any way, I can pretty much guarantee that he will always remember the day he handed a loaded firearm to someone when he thought it was unloaded.
One of my stupidest mistakes in handling firearms was when I was a young boy and my dad took me and a buddy plinking on the levee in lower St. Bernard. We were all in the truck bed. I had turned around to reload my Nylon 66 and when I went to turn back to continue shooting I muzzle-swept both my dad and my friend. Dad took the gun from me and calmly pointed out my mistake. I actually had nightmares for several months about shooting my friend in the head because of that, and that scenario literally runs thru my head every time I go to the range to either shoot or work my Range Officer shift.
Moments like that stay engrained in one's brain(usually/hopefully) and should make ones safety awareness level even that much more heightened.
Even if you watched him clear the mag and rack the slide, the first thing you should do when anyone hands you a firearm is check for a round in the chamber (who's to say the extractor isn't broke and even with racking the slide, the round could still be in the chamber, right?)
You did the right thing by checking for yourself. I kinda believe that moments like that are self-teaching. Even if you hadn't berated him in any way, I can pretty much guarantee that he will always remember the day he handed a loaded firearm to someone when he thought it was unloaded.
One of my stupidest mistakes in handling firearms was when I was a young boy and my dad took me and a buddy plinking on the levee in lower St. Bernard. We were all in the truck bed. I had turned around to reload my Nylon 66 and when I went to turn back to continue shooting I muzzle-swept both my dad and my friend. Dad took the gun from me and calmly pointed out my mistake. I actually had nightmares for several months about shooting my friend in the head because of that, and that scenario literally runs thru my head every time I go to the range to either shoot or work my Range Officer shift.
Moments like that stay engrained in one's brain(usually/hopefully) and should make ones safety awareness level even that much more heightened.
Posted on 9/26/14 at 7:06 am to DLauw
I don't know about "losing your shite" on him, but it was definitely a teachable moment.
Good job out of you assuming it was loaded (or at least checking yourself and not taking his word for it).
I do not care what anyone says, when I get a gun that has not been in my possession it is loaded. Period.
Good job out of you assuming it was loaded (or at least checking yourself and not taking his word for it).
I do not care what anyone says, when I get a gun that has not been in my possession it is loaded. Period.
Posted on 9/26/14 at 8:48 am to DLauw
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So WWTOBD, did I overreact?
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One of my employees
well, how do you feel about guns in the workplace for one?
i had a cliet hand me a .38 snubnose loaded the other day loaded and i didn't think anything about it.
but if one of my guys hands me a pistol and tells me it isn't loaded only to find out that it is, it'll probably depend on the situation, but i wouldn't run him into the ground, i'd probably just bust his nuts about it forever
Posted on 9/26/14 at 1:02 pm to DLauw
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Next time remain calm and seize the opportunity to constructively pass your wisdom and extensive knowledge of firearms handling etiquette on to someone who may need it and would probably be appreciative of it.
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So WWTOBD, did I overreact?
If you have to ask this, then most likely, yes, you did overreact. You had every right to be upset, but overreacting's another thing.
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I may have hurt his feelings a bit with a bit of harsh name calling.
My experience has been that I get more accomplished by calm instruction w/ and a stern attitude than by calling names. Your experiences and personality may be different. If you think you may have overreacted now would be a good time to go back and apologize for overreacting. At the same time you could revisit proper gun handling.
Posted on 9/26/14 at 3:10 pm to DLauw
This is what happens when even a Navy Seal is careless and doesn't check the chamber:
LINK
Of course alcohol and a chick might have had something to do with it too.
LINK
Of course alcohol and a chick might have had something to do with it too.
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The 22-year-old sailor, who had been drinking with a woman at a bar before the pair returned to his residence in the 1800 block of Grand Avenue about 2 a.m. Thursday, was showing the woman his 9 mm handgun when the accident occurred, according to San Diego police.The serviceman offered to let his friend hold the weapon, which he mistakenly believed was unloaded, and when she declined, he tried to demonstrate how safe it was by putting it to his head and pulling the trigger, police said.
This post was edited on 9/26/14 at 3:12 pm
Posted on 9/26/14 at 4:38 pm to DLauw
Overreacted. Treat every gun as if it is loaded, and it wont surprise you when a bullet comes out when you rack the slide.
Posted on 9/26/14 at 5:00 pm to DLauw
Used to happen to me at least 5 times a day, but then again, I worked at a gun range at the time...
People are idiots when it comes to gun safety...
People are idiots when it comes to gun safety...
Posted on 9/26/14 at 11:21 pm to DLauw
In replying to everyone who offered something in this topic, I want to say that yes, I definitely overreacted and I apologized to the guy today. He apologized to me also for his carelessness. We didn't really have some big long discussion about the event but I did point out that he should always be 100% certain his firearm is unloaded if he believes it is.
I'm guessing most here probably knew I already knew I overreacted and I was just looking for a little justification.
Gun safety is a big deal to me and like someone in here, I've had a few close calls when I was younger and those events shaped my respect for guns and gun safety.
Thanks all for the input
I'm guessing most here probably knew I already knew I overreacted and I was just looking for a little justification.
Gun safety is a big deal to me and like someone in here, I've had a few close calls when I was younger and those events shaped my respect for guns and gun safety.
Thanks all for the input
Posted on 9/26/14 at 11:29 pm to DLauw
Good job checking. Sounds like he may have been trying to get your approval. Dumb move by him but depending on how bad you went off it may have been overboard. Hell, do you think he's sweating his job over it?
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