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re: 1st Infantry Division HQ to Iraq
Posted on 9/25/14 at 3:26 pm to StraightCashHomey21
Posted on 9/25/14 at 3:26 pm to StraightCashHomey21
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boots have been on the ground
bombs don't call themselves in
I'd like to think most people know this is a requirement to a bombing campaign. I like to think previous posters are talking about the more "serious" boots on the ground ie shooting frickers in the face/traditional infantry warfare type of situation.
Of course, any time I think someone can't be that misinformed in today's age, I'm usually disappointed
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Posted on 9/25/14 at 3:30 pm to GeauxxxTigers23
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I feel confident in saying that the vast majority of bombs dropped so far have not been directed by troops on the ground. Certainly not in Syria. Probably a lot in support of the Kurds and the Iraqi army though.
Yea most likely the cruise missiles striking Syria are not being called in.
Posted on 9/25/14 at 3:38 pm to Vegas Eddie
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I don’t know how any of this works…..their HQ and brigade are in different locations?
Division HQ is all the big wigs, planners and what not. There are generally 3 or 4 brigades per division. As of now only the 1st Infantry Division's HQ element has deployed to Iraq, ostensibly to help the Iraqis plan and execute the defense of their country. The 1st Infantry division's 1st Brigade Combat Team just happens to be on rotation in Kuwait as a theater contingency response force.
Could be nothing, but it's certainly a strange coincidence.
Posted on 9/25/14 at 3:45 pm to GeauxxxTigers23
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Division HQ is all the big wigs, planners and what not. There are generally 3 or 4 brigades per division. As of now only the 1st Infantry Division's HQ element has deployed to Iraq, ostensibly to help the Iraqis plan and execute the defense of their country. The 1st Infantry division's 1st Brigade Combat Team just happens to be on rotation in Kuwait as a theater contingency response force.
Got it
Thanks
Posted on 9/25/14 at 3:45 pm to Lakeboy7
"The Big Black One" doesn't quite have the same pop as the original, I don't think.
Posted on 9/25/14 at 3:53 pm to GeauxxxTigers23
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Division HQ in Baghdad. The division's 1st brigade just down the road in Kuwait.
Hmmmm
Because you know who? And you know what? But let's keep that between me and you...
Posted on 9/25/14 at 4:00 pm to TOKEN
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But let's keep that between me and you...
The big cheese has already announced the plan.
Posted on 9/25/14 at 4:01 pm to Ace Midnight
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"The Big Black One" doesn't quite have the same pop as the original, I don't think.
Are you talking about movies? You must mean "Black Cock Down."
Posted on 9/25/14 at 4:03 pm to Lakeboy7
Posted on 9/25/14 at 4:05 pm to GeauxxxTigers23
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Division HQ is all the big wigs, planners and what not. There are generally 3 or 4 brigades per division. As of now only the 1st Infantry Division's HQ element has deployed to Iraq, ostensibly to help the Iraqis plan and execute the defense of their country. The 1st Infantry division's 1st Brigade Combat Team just happens to be on rotation in Kuwait as a theater contingency response force.
Could be nothing, but it's certainly a strange coincidence.
I really probably wouldn't make much of that. The BCT structure is such that the BCT's very, very rarely operate as fully operational elements under their division headquarters. It is probably both of their turns in the ARFORGEN cycle. I could definitely be wrong, but don't we still have like four division HQ's in Afghanistan for the RC's? That would mean there are only six others even available (and that's not including ARFORGEN reset times).
Posted on 9/25/14 at 4:05 pm to Ace Midnight
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"The Big Black One
I'll go way out on a limb here and guess the other 3 brigades will be: 173rd ABB
a 82nd BCT
a 101st BCT
Posted on 9/25/14 at 4:07 pm to AbuTheMonkey
Yeah. It could be nothing. And the army times link said there were 2 left in Afghanistan. I'm not aware of where the MARDIV HQs are now.
Posted on 9/25/14 at 4:07 pm to GeauxxxTigers23
A division commander's primary responsibility is to command the division. How will that be achieved if the commander has to devote his time to whatever the mission is in Iraq? How can the CG be accountable for shite that happens in CONUS if he isn't around to supervise the elements of his command? Which staff officers go with the HQ? I would imagine the G-3 would have to go, but what other staff would be essential?
Bottom line, this can only be a precursor to deploying parts, or all, of the division to Iraq.
Bottom line, this can only be a precursor to deploying parts, or all, of the division to Iraq.
Posted on 9/25/14 at 4:20 pm to Poodlebrain
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this can only be a precursor to deploying parts, or all, of the division to Iraq.
The Army is modular, based on the BCT. I deployed to Iraq with 3rd BDE/82nd ABD but my division HQ was 1st Cavalry Div. The norm has been the Div HQ takes its aviation brigade and maybe one infantry brigade but maybe not.
It allows flexibility depending on what you need, heavy, light, mechanized etc.
Posted on 9/25/14 at 4:21 pm to son of arlo
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Are you talking about movies?
No.
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You must mean "Black Cock Down."
You have me confused with someone else.
Posted on 9/25/14 at 4:23 pm to Poodlebrain
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A division commander's primary responsibility is to command the division. How will that be achieved if the commander has to devote his time to whatever the mission is in Iraq? How can the CG be accountable for shite that happens in CONUS if he isn't around to supervise the elements of his command? Which staff officers go with the HQ? I would imagine the G-3 would have to go, but what other staff would be essential?
Bottom line, this can only be a precursor to deploying parts, or all, of the division to Iraq.
BCT's are practically independent entities at this point and have more or less been since 2003. Not sure how much "command" a division command center has.
The BCT's are answering to FORSCOM at this point, not their division commanders.
Posted on 9/25/14 at 4:25 pm to GeauxxxTigers23
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MARDIV HQs
They got folded into whatever Army Div HQ is operating out of Kandahar, but that was months ago so not sure.
Posted on 9/25/14 at 5:20 pm to GetCocky11
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I'm not shocked at all.
I'm not pissed that combat troops will probably be deployed to Iraq and Syria. I'm just pissed that the President told us time and time again that it wouldn't happen.
No shite! Like 2 months ago I heard him say he was 52 and last week he said he was 53, make up your mind already Obama!
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