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re: Pew poll shows support for same sex marriage dropped
Posted on 9/23/14 at 11:54 am to ballscaster
Posted on 9/23/14 at 11:54 am to ballscaster
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Back in my day, West Monroe people were funnier than this.
Back in my day, they were just thugs:
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Posted on 9/23/14 at 12:01 pm to Vegas Bengal
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Pssst I have a secret for you. If the election is 49-41 you still lose.
Here's something that isn't a secret.
In almost all of the state "elections" regarding legalizing same sex marriage including the one in California on Prop 8 the people opposed to same sex marriage have been over 50%.
Posted on 9/23/14 at 1:18 pm to DawgfaninCa
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You can play with the numbers all you want in an attempt to dis this poll as meaningless but the fact is this Pew poll results show that the support for same sex marriage dropped from 51% to 49%.
I'm not playing with the numbers. I'm quoting your article bud. It's 49% support vs 41 % opposed.
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Some of the same sex marriage supporters on this site asserted the percentage of people in support of same sex marriage would never go down.
Stop saying this if you won't back it up. Use the search tool and quote the people who have said this.
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Even if you end up winning through the courts that still won't change how the majority of people feel about same sex marriage and homosexuality which is the most important thing.
If you do think it will then just look at how forced desegregation and busing by the courts has improved race relations in this country.
One reason this country has a constitution is to protect minorities and minority opinions. Honestly, I hope for more public acceptance but that's not my primary concern. My primary concern is equal legal rights and legal acceptance/recognition.
Also, you use the term "majority". Perhaps you should read your poll again
Posted on 9/23/14 at 1:26 pm to DawgfaninCa
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Here's something that isn't a secret.
In almost all of the state "elections" regarding legalizing same sex marriage including the one in California on Prop 8 the people opposed to same sex marriage have been over 50%
Currently, of the 19 States (including DC) that have legalized same-sex marriage, 15 of the 19 have either a state statute passed by their State Legislature or there was a voter referendum which passed it into law.
Posted on 9/23/14 at 1:29 pm to DawgfaninCa
We need to have two classes of marriage after the USSC forces states to recognize same sex mariage.
Class 1: Bona Fide Marriage i.e. real marriage between a man and a woman.
Class 2: All other marriage i.e. man on man, woman on woman, woman on plant, donkey on turkey, polygamy, etc.
Class 1: Bona Fide Marriage i.e. real marriage between a man and a woman.
Class 2: All other marriage i.e. man on man, woman on woman, woman on plant, donkey on turkey, polygamy, etc.
Posted on 9/23/14 at 1:34 pm to LSUTigersVCURams
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We need to have two classes of marriage after the USSC forces states to recognize same sex mariage.
Class 1: Bona Fide Marriage i.e. real marriage between a man and a woman.
Class 2: All other marriage i.e. man on man, woman on woman, woman on plant, donkey on turkey, polygamy, etc.
Why? What would be the need for two different types?
Posted on 9/23/14 at 1:42 pm to Mickey Goldmill
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What would be the need for two different types?
I simply don't believe that gay marriage should be put on the same level as marriage between a man and a woman for a lot of reasons (if you think that makes me a bigot then screw you I have gay friends), but I think that gay people should be able to have some of the legal benefits of marriage. To me, the only solution that makes sense is to have legal gay marriage, but have it as a different class than traditional marriage. That way, we don't de-legitimize traditional marriage by treating it the same as gay marriage, but gay people can still get married and have a ceremony.
Posted on 9/23/14 at 1:45 pm to LSUTigersVCURams
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To me, the only solution that makes sense is to have legal gay marriage, but have it as a different class than traditional marriage. That way, we don't de-legitimize traditional marriage by treating it the same as gay marriage, but gay people can still get married and have a ceremony.
Or how about the Government not being in the marriage business and for their purposes only using civil unions.... Then couples can go to their local churches or whatever and get "Married" if they want to
Posted on 9/23/14 at 1:53 pm to LSUTigersVCURams
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I simply don't believe that gay marriage should be put on the same level as marriage between a man and a woman for a lot of reasons (if you think that makes me a bigot then screw you I have gay friends), but I think that gay people should be able to have some of the legal benefits of marriage. To me, the only solution that makes sense is to have legal gay marriage, but have it as a different class than traditional marriage. That way, we don't de-legitimize traditional marriage by treating it the same as gay marriage, but gay people can still get married and have a ceremony.
"I don't think" is not a reason. Give me facts as to how gay marriage will "de-legitimize" traditional marriage.
Posted on 9/23/14 at 2:16 pm to Mickey Goldmill
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"I don't think" is not a reason.
Oh really. Well then why the frick SHOULD gay people get married then? Because they really really want to???
They shouldn't because they can't create biological families. Traditional marriages can (don't have to, but can). So therefore, gay marriage is illegitimate.
ETA: Is illegitimate in my opinion. And guess what? I vote, and it's a democracy. That's my factual fricking reason.
This post was edited on 9/23/14 at 2:17 pm
Posted on 9/23/14 at 2:18 pm to Lsut81
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Or how about the Government not being in the marriage business and for their purposes only using civil unions.... Then couples can go to their local churches or whatever and get "Married" if they want to
I am totally ok with this, but it won't be an option when the Supremes make gay marriage the law of the land.
Posted on 9/23/14 at 2:18 pm to LSUTigersVCURams
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Oh really. Well then why the frick SHOULD gay people get married then? Because they really really want to???
They shouldn't because they can't create biological families. Traditional marriages can (don't have to, but can). So therefore, gay marriage is illegitimate.
They should be able to get married for the same reasons as straight couples. Love, support, commitment, union, etc.
The ability to procreate is not a prerequisite to marriage and never has been. Being sterile people get married every day and some wait until they are elderly to get married.
ETA: Why are you so angry about something that will never have an affect on your life or your marriage?
This post was edited on 9/23/14 at 2:20 pm
Posted on 9/23/14 at 2:19 pm to LSUTigersVCURams
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They shouldn't because they can't create biological families.
So then I guess you are all for people who are sterile not being allowed to marry?
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Traditional marriages can (don't have to, but can). So therefore, gay marriage is illegitimate.
So any marriage in which one of the spouses is unable to procreate is illegitimate
This post was edited on 9/23/14 at 2:20 pm
Posted on 9/23/14 at 2:23 pm to LSUTigersVCURams
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ETA: Is illegitimate in my opinion. And guess what? I vote, and it's a democracy. That's my factual fricking reason.
The United States is a form of a Liberal/Representative Democracy known as a Constitutional Republic.
Do you know why these types of governments exist? So that the majority doesn't totally dominate the minority and to ensure equal and fair rights to all.
Posted on 9/23/14 at 2:31 pm to Mickey Goldmill
You guys are right that it sounds dumb to say that the reason for marriage is the ability to procreate and make a family, but it's what I believe. If you're just marrying somebody for companionship, why go to the trouble to do it at all? Just never got that.
Indeed it is. It's one where representatives of the people are democratically elected to do the will of their electorate. That's how it is supposed to work. Quaint idea, I know.
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he United States is a form of a Liberal/Representative Democracy known as a Constitutional Republic.
Indeed it is. It's one where representatives of the people are democratically elected to do the will of their electorate. That's how it is supposed to work. Quaint idea, I know.
Posted on 9/23/14 at 2:39 pm to LSUTigersVCURams
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(if you think that makes me a bigot then screw you I have gay friends)
Thanks for this...because this of course makes you less of a homophobe.
Posted on 9/23/14 at 2:40 pm to LSUTigersVCURams
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They shouldn't because they can't create biological families. Traditional marriages can (don't have to, but can). So therefore, gay marriage is illegitimate.
My best friend and his wife can't have kids. I guess his marriage is illegitimate.
Posted on 9/23/14 at 2:41 pm to LSUTigersVCURams
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I am totally ok with this, but it won't be an option when the Supremes make gay marriage the law of the land.
I'm curious exactly how gays getting married affects your life whatsoever?
Serious question.
Posted on 9/23/14 at 2:47 pm to asurob1
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I'm curious exactly how gays getting married affects your life whatsoever?
Many laws don't affect my life whatsoever. That's not a good argument for your side imo. The procreation thing I said was very dumb and I immediately regret the decision to say it. Obviously procreation is not a prerequisite to a "legitimate marriage" and that was just plain dumb on my part to say it. I wish I could retract it, but instead it's on the internet forever. My bad.
Posted on 9/23/14 at 2:55 pm to LSUTigersVCURams
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Indeed it is. It's one where representatives of the people are democratically elected to do the will of their electorate. That's how it is supposed to work. Quaint idea, I know.
No. That's not all that a Constitutional Republic is. They have Constitutions which are meant to protect all citizens from the majority. I'm sorry if you don't want to hear that, but that is what America was founded upon. That is the whole point of why we have a Constitution to begin with.
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