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You be the admissions director
Posted on 9/21/14 at 1:35 pm
Posted on 9/21/14 at 1:35 pm
The NYT has been on a 2 week long kick about a new form of diversity at elite colleges. Not race, not gender... Poverty. There aren't enough poor people admitted to Harvard.
Let us use ACT scores because they are easier. If John has an ACT of 36 and has rich parents; while Mary has an ACT of 28 and has poor parents, then Mary will get the scholarship. It's called Needs Based. It happens.
If John has an ACT of 36 and Jemarkus has one of 26 and is black then Jemarkus gets the scholarship due to aff action (yes, I know the court battles).
But let's throw out race. Ying and Yang are both Chinese.
Let's then throw out gender and race. Tons of Chinese and girls at Harvard.
Now, let's include Poverty. Ying has an ACT of 36 and his parents are rich. Yang has an ACT of 22 and her parents are poor.
Ying's argument is meritocracy. He deserves admission based on his accomplishments. He can pay his own way.
Yang's argument is diversity. It will enrich Harvard to associate with a Chinese girl living in poverty. She needs a full ride.
Who do you take?
Let us use ACT scores because they are easier. If John has an ACT of 36 and has rich parents; while Mary has an ACT of 28 and has poor parents, then Mary will get the scholarship. It's called Needs Based. It happens.
If John has an ACT of 36 and Jemarkus has one of 26 and is black then Jemarkus gets the scholarship due to aff action (yes, I know the court battles).
But let's throw out race. Ying and Yang are both Chinese.
Let's then throw out gender and race. Tons of Chinese and girls at Harvard.
Now, let's include Poverty. Ying has an ACT of 36 and his parents are rich. Yang has an ACT of 22 and her parents are poor.
Ying's argument is meritocracy. He deserves admission based on his accomplishments. He can pay his own way.
Yang's argument is diversity. It will enrich Harvard to associate with a Chinese girl living in poverty. She needs a full ride.
Who do you take?
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Posted on 9/21/14 at 1:42 pm to Zach
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Ying's argument is meritocracy. He deserves admission based on his accomplishments. He can pay his own way.
Yang's argument is diversity. It will enrich Harvard to associate with a Chinese girl living in poverty. She needs a full ride.
Who do you take?
You're conflating general admission with need-based scholarships. I don't even understand wtf you are asking.
Posted on 9/21/14 at 2:42 pm to Zach
Meritocracy.
I've been in a position to look at college applications for a few colleges and the reason that richer families disproportionately have their children go to these schools is because their children are more prepared. Private schools for that reason are always over-represented.
It's not that these schools are discriminating against poor people, and indeed some get through the screening, it's that they're not as prepared, which means their parents may disproportinately just care less about their children getting an education. It's not a nice thing to say but it's the harsh reality.
I've been in a position to look at college applications for a few colleges and the reason that richer families disproportionately have their children go to these schools is because their children are more prepared. Private schools for that reason are always over-represented.
It's not that these schools are discriminating against poor people, and indeed some get through the screening, it's that they're not as prepared, which means their parents may disproportinately just care less about their children getting an education. It's not a nice thing to say but it's the harsh reality.
Posted on 9/21/14 at 10:59 pm to Zach
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If John has an ACT of 36 and Jemarkus has one of 26 and is black then Jemarkus gets the scholarship due to aff action (yes, I know the court battles).
Do grades count?
Posted on 9/21/14 at 11:00 pm to Zach
Ying all day
Posted on 9/22/14 at 10:03 am to Zach
Isn't a 36 ACT score "perfect"? Anyone with a perfect ACT score is getting into any school they wish.
My understanding of what Harvard is doing, is different from this. I believe they are dedicating more endowment money to kids who are smart and can handle the academics, but who are poor and cannot afford to attend, who are smart enough to get in, but maybe not smart enough to get a full academic scholarship.
If you had two people who were both on the border of getting in the school, and their files are just about the same, and one is just slightly more qualified than the other, and the other is much poorer, in order to fufill some sort of social goal, I can see them accepting the slightly (but barely) less qualiifed kid who is poor.
My understanding of what Harvard is doing, is different from this. I believe they are dedicating more endowment money to kids who are smart and can handle the academics, but who are poor and cannot afford to attend, who are smart enough to get in, but maybe not smart enough to get a full academic scholarship.
If you had two people who were both on the border of getting in the school, and their files are just about the same, and one is just slightly more qualified than the other, and the other is much poorer, in order to fufill some sort of social goal, I can see them accepting the slightly (but barely) less qualiifed kid who is poor.
Posted on 9/22/14 at 2:54 pm to Zach
ACT 36 is in. The rest out.
Posted on 9/23/14 at 6:21 am to Zach
The Ivies have been openly doing the opposite for decades. Rich kid with an ACT score of 25 gets in over poor kid with ACT of 34. Especially if the rich kid's daddy went to that school. School wants to get the rich kid's money.
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