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re: Why do you believe what you believe? (politics-wise)

Posted on 9/21/14 at 2:46 pm to
Posted by AustinTigr
Austin, TX
Member since Dec 2004
2937 posts
Posted on 9/21/14 at 2:46 pm to
I vote conservative because I am a realist:

1) Stealing every dime from the 'evil rich' won't stop people from making stupid decision like dropping out of school, doing drugs, committing crime, or just being lazy;

2) Just because something bad has ever happened in your life or you've "seen things when I was in the [fill in the blank]" doesn't mean God doesn't exist. After all, what makes YOU so damn special that bad things won't happen to you? So many people have a pussy attitude about God. "My dad got cancer, and that's when I quite believing in God." "My best friend committed suicide, and that's when I quit believing in God." It's such a pathetic excuse to stop wondering why any of us are here... for that matter why anything is here.

3) I believe in equal opportunities not equal outcomes;

4) I believe true personal charity is essential to both the humanity of the giver and receiver. It is our personal responsibility to care for the less fortunate. There is a fundamental difference between a Giver saying "I recognize your inherent dignity" and the Receiver saying, "someone recognizes my needs", vs. Government handouts that are pride stealing and soul impoverishing. "Here you go, boy. Now remember who to vote for."

5) Illegal immigration does not hurt me or any other white collar person I know. It does take jobs from the poorest of the poor. The guy sneaking across the border this afternoon won't take MY job. However, he very well might take the job of some legal US resident Hispanic-American on the Texas border busting his arse to raise his family of 5. But since the illegal will work for 1/2 the money and won't complain about bullshite working conditions, our legal friend is going to lose his job. So now we have both an illegal immigrant being taken advantage of, AND a legal resident now relying on the government for subsistence. That's wrong.

6) Illegal immigration (part 2): the legal Hispanic American knows that speaking English is part of his children's road to a better life. But since the illegal 25% of the kids in his children's classroom can't speak ANY English, it's easier to speak Spanish in the classroom... so our legal friend's children are screwed once again.

7) Chicago has the strictest gun laws in the country, and it is a shooting gallery for minority teenagers. Nuff said.

8) Someone was abused or possibly even murdered for the little recreational drug you think is no big deal. bullshite me all you want, some very, very evil MF'ers were involved in getting you your little joint or little vile of blow.

9) Abortion is absolutely one of the most racist institutions in the world. The number of minority kids killed as a percentage of white kids is staggering. And while we're at it, don't tell me you believe in "inherent human dignity" and you're also Pro-Choice. You are either a liar or stupid.

This post was edited on 9/21/14 at 2:59 pm
Posted by navy
Parts Unknown, LA
Member since Sep 2010
29038 posts
Posted on 9/21/14 at 2:51 pm to
quote:

AustinTigr


Do you like where you live?
Posted by AustinTigr
Austin, TX
Member since Dec 2004
2937 posts
Posted on 9/21/14 at 2:54 pm to
I live outside of Austin where it's a little more conservative. What's amazing is all the liberals moving to Texas because their liberal state has: no jobs, or high crime, or high cost of living.

So they move to Texas... and vote liberal.
Stupid is what stupid does.
Posted by RockyMtnTigerWDE
War Damn Eagle Dad!
Member since Oct 2010
105408 posts
Posted on 9/21/14 at 3:01 pm to
It obviously began with the beliefs of my parents, the principles I was raised on, and the belief that I was raised with. However, I formulated my own thoughts, beliefs, and ideas the more independent, educated, and life experiences I have attained.

I will say I haven't departed too far from that I grew up with, but I challenged myself on that I believe politically throughout my life.

I am challenged now more than ever because of the ineptness of those who proclaim to believe the way I do, but they truly do not. I must choose who I vote for very wisely and with a lot of research.

Unfortunately, some of my recent voting has been based on what and who I know I don't want in office. This year I am voting for the people who I can most identify with and if I find none, I will write in a candidate so I can say I voted.
Posted by genuineLSUtiger
Nashville
Member since Sep 2005
72948 posts
Posted on 9/21/14 at 3:55 pm to
quote:

Is it because it's what your family believes? What your religion believes?


The vast majority of people on this board and elsewhere believe what they believe purely out of the subconscious conditioning of their parents, family, religion, teachers during the ages of 0-6. Geographical birth on this planet pretty much determines what your worldview will be for the rest of your life. If you are born in India, you will be Hindu, the middle east, Muslim etc. Humans, however, deceive themselves into believing that they came to believe what they believe on their own. It is a huge mirage of the human condition. Experience is subjective depending on your personal upbringing.
Posted by Tigah in the ATL
Atlanta
Member since Feb 2005
27539 posts
Posted on 9/21/14 at 4:06 pm to
Still people believe there were WMDs. Smh
Posted by PrimeTime Money
Houston, Texas, USA
Member since Nov 2012
27305 posts
Posted on 9/21/14 at 8:38 pm to
quote:

Still people believe there were WMDs. Smh

And a lot of people believe that Bush was lying instead of the possibility that he was given bad intel.
Posted by Tigah in the ATL
Atlanta
Member since Feb 2005
27539 posts
Posted on 9/21/14 at 8:44 pm to
He was told what he wanted to hear.
Posted by Ponchy Tiger
Ponchatoula
Member since Aug 2004
45123 posts
Posted on 9/21/14 at 9:04 pm to
Believe it or not I am actually a registered democrat. Didn't know any better when I registered at 18. For the most part I look at the individual and not the party. Especially in local elections. State and national elections I have always voted republican. Not because I particularly like the party but because for the most part their conservative beliefs are closer in line with mine. I wish a 3rd party would become viable in my lifetime but I just can't see it happening.
Posted by stuntman
Florida
Member since Jan 2013
9099 posts
Posted on 9/21/14 at 9:18 pm to
quote:

Why do you believe what you believe?


Growing up, I'd always thought of myself as "open-minded". But, in reality, I was just a default cultural Liberal. I knew about the "other side" from what Liberals told me about the "other side".

Once I started to actually be open minded and dig into other points of view, especially economics, I slowly but surely moved towards the libertarian pov.

Once I started my own business and had to deal w/ government rules, regs and taxes, the move towards libertarianism has been completed.
Posted by SpidermanTUba
my house
Member since May 2004
36128 posts
Posted on 9/21/14 at 9:20 pm to
quote:

Why do you believe what you believe?


The liberal media brainwashes me.
Posted by StrangeBrew
Salvation Army-Thanks Obama
Member since May 2009
18184 posts
Posted on 9/21/14 at 9:25 pm to
Horatio Alger
Posted by stuntman
Florida
Member since Jan 2013
9099 posts
Posted on 9/21/14 at 9:28 pm to
quote:

Why do you believe what you believe? (politics-wise)


quote:

SpidermanTUba


quote:

The liberal media brainwashes me.


Ok, that's funny.
Posted by LSUgusto
Member since May 2005
19222 posts
Posted on 9/21/14 at 9:29 pm to
quote:

The liberal media brainwashes me.
No, it arms you with pablum.

I remember as a youngster questioning the media hysteria over Reagan's joke about "We begin bombing in five minutes." In hindsight, it makes perfect sense. Manufactured outrage to drive a narrative and stereotype, which fuels your kind. I don't think you're brainwashed. I think you're intentionally dishonest for political gain.
Posted by gthog61
Irving, TX
Member since Nov 2009
71001 posts
Posted on 9/21/14 at 10:22 pm to
because I am not a moron
Posted by Champagne
Already Conquered USA.
Member since Oct 2007
48352 posts
Posted on 9/21/14 at 10:25 pm to
The USA was founded on the principle of limited government, individual liberty and private property rights.

Posted by LSURussian
Member since Feb 2005
126962 posts
Posted on 9/21/14 at 10:27 pm to
quote:

The liberal media brainwashes me.

That requires an actual brain......
Posted by 90proofprofessional
Member since Mar 2004
24445 posts
Posted on 9/21/14 at 10:44 pm to
The thread title made me ask myself what it is that I believe, and the answer was "not much." Despite my demeanor here, I am not strong in any political or ideological convictions IRL. I've only been able to actually cast a vote for a candidate once in my life, and probably never will again. Guess I'm disloyal to my ideology when push comes to shove.

The opinions I do have are generally formed by the subjective and uncertain guiding principle of (something like): "which set of rules seems likely to shape the type of society in the long run that I deem best?"
Posted by SpartyGator
Detroit Lions fan
Member since Oct 2011
75441 posts
Posted on 9/22/14 at 7:09 am to
quote:

Or did you come up with your own ideas as you got old enough to understand?

Ive gained more consideration for libertarian princinples from college, usually I was always in a dem/rep mindset. Also, gave me an opportunity to consider 3rd parties, but I also naturally disliked both D and Rs over the least few years.

quote:

Is it because it's what your family believes?


A bit, my dad is slightly left-leaning. So I still kinda have those tendencies

Posted by SpartyGator
Detroit Lions fan
Member since Oct 2011
75441 posts
Posted on 9/22/14 at 7:11 am to
quote:

The thread title made me ask myself what it is that I believe, and the answer was "not much." Despite my demeanor here, I am not strong in any political or ideological convictions IRL.


I'm not a huge politics guy IRL either, bit occasionally get into it. I really dont initiate too many conversations though.I do vote, as well
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