re: Finished Lost

This is not even debatable is it?

His sub sacarafice was real. I hate how Sayid was played out the last season

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Posted by Byron Bojangles III
So did Sayid die in the temple (was he really brought back?) Or when he sacrificed himself in the sub?

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Yes, sayid died. I hate the temple shite.

They dropped the ball on that

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Christian Shephard: I sure hope so. Yeah, I'm real. You're real.

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When he says this, they are dead, no?

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All those people in the church, they're all real too. 

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Dead at this point too right?

If they are dead when Christian says that, then I do not think real means alive. Which would mean...

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Everything that's happened to you is real.

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Just because everything that has happened is real, does not mean it happened when he was alive. It just means that it occurred or had purpose. I do not doubt that everyone on the island was real. I just doubt whether they were alive on the island.

Also, the some died before you and after you line does not mean that everyone died when they died on the island, to me. Seems reasonable Desmond died on the sailboat. Christian was some time before, but he was alive on the island. Juliet, who knows. Charlotte, Daniel, and Miles all could have died some time after Jack. Those folks were on the island and in the flashsideways, but not in the final church scene.

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I am in the "dead the whole time camp.

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there is no fricking "camp". There's not a choice of which side of the fence to take, there's just fact. It'd be like saying I'm in the "I don't really think Andy broke out of shawshank camp". That camp doesn't exist, because we clearly see on film what actually happened.

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I refuse to believe they were alive on the island the whole time. To me, the island was purgatory,

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Well, you're 100% completely wrong, on both counts.

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here are just too many things that do not add up on the island for it to have been real. In no particular order...

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It's a TV show. Just because there are things not actually rooted in our IRL reality doesn't mean that what's on the show is "fake". There's time travel in Back to the Future..I guess that means everyone was dead the whole time eh?

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with many people having predicted/ guessed that the island was purgatory... better flip the script!

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Orrrrrrr those people could've just been wrong.

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It just doesn't add up to me. Richard Alpert said it best, "You're dead ... we're all dead, every single one of us. And this? All this? It's not what you think it is. We're not on an island. We never were. We're in Hell."

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A tired and ageless man falling apart at the seams mentally.

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the show makes more sense if they were all dead, having died at different times.

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Everyone did die at different times. Some before jack. Some after. All were alive on the island.

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Christian Shephard: This is a place that you... that you all made together so that you could find one another. The most important part of your life was the time that you spent with these people on that island. That's why all of you are here. Nobody does it alone, Jack. You needed all of them, and they needed you.



To me, that scene, and that quote, show that the island was purgatory.

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How? What in that quote would prove that? The place where christian and Jack were speaking, in teh church in the S6 flash sideways, WAS a sort of afterlife. Like a staging area before moving on to their final destination. Everyone in THAT place was already dead.

How about this. When Christian also said to Jack "everyone dies jack. Some died before you. Some long...long after you"..how do you interpret that? When Jack dies, we see a plain with several other characters flying home to safety. Are you saying they are zombie losties that were dead on the island and will be real when they leave it?

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Archie Bengal Bunker

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You're an idiot. From what Christian said:

Christian: All the people in the church, they're all real too.

Jack: They're all... They're all dead.

Christian: Everybody dies sometime kiddo. Some have been before you, some long after you.

Jack: But why are they all here now?

Christian: Well there is no now here.



How is that explanation not completely definitive? Damon Lindelof can be a dick, but he's been asked in like 5 different interviews why they died in the crash, and he's equally dumbfounded each time someone asks this incredibly stupid question, since it's point blank explained to the audience on what actually happened.

Not to mention Ben and Juliet. How did that work out if everyone was dead the whole time? Did they just drop dead the second they were recruited to the Island?

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If you expect me to believe the island was all part of their life, how about some, any, explanation for..

A smoke monster
A man that does not age
A man that dies and comes back to life
A man that takes the form of a dead man
Christian, a dead man, lending a helping hand on the island various times

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good god did you watch the show. All of this was explained.

Never mind, the part I bolded pretty much shows you didn't pay attention

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If the island is purgatory,

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Stopped reading right there, its not



Again i present Exhibit A...



This was the show writers in March of this year...


On whether the characters were actually dead the whole time (Since the time the plane crashed):

"No, no, no. They were not dead the whole time," Cuse said definitively, adding that he believes that some footage they showed at the very end of the series lead to much of the misunderstanding among fans.

"At the end of the series finale, [an ABC exec] thought it would be good to have a buffer between when you have the end of the show and when they cut to say, a Clorox commercial," Cuse explained. "We didn't have a lot of extra footage lying around, but we had footage of the plane wreckage on the beach," which they shot when the plane needed to be moved or it would have been washed out to sea. "We thought, let's put those shots at the end of the show and it will be a little buffer and lull. And when people saw the footage of the plane with no survivors, it exacerbated the problem."

But the characters definitely survived the plane crash and really were on a very real island. At the very end of the series, though? Yep, they were all dead when they met up in heaven for the final "church" scene.

this fricking guy...