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re: Global warming was worth it
Posted on 9/12/14 at 2:44 pm to SpidermanTUba
Posted on 9/12/14 at 2:44 pm to SpidermanTUba
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Flooding is pretty painful for the poor, too.
Probably as painful to the rich.
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Posted on 9/12/14 at 2:45 pm to MSCoastTigerGirl
Yep. No one. Talks about the potential positive impacts of GW.
Posted on 9/12/14 at 2:48 pm to MSCoastTigerGirl
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SooooooooBig!!!!!
You're damn right
Posted on 9/12/14 at 2:49 pm to GoBigOrange86
quote:3 out of the 4 are just as prevalent today and disease has been lessened by science, not factories. In fact some of the diseases and illnesses were brought about by the "Age of Pollution".
a miserable pre-Industrial Age, where poverty, death, disease and violence,
Posted on 9/12/14 at 2:50 pm to Vols&Shaft83
Wanna contribute to some global warming?
I have to stop. Time to go back to doing actual work at work. :sadface:
I have to stop. Time to go back to doing actual work at work. :sadface:
Posted on 9/12/14 at 2:52 pm to MSCoastTigerGirl
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Wanna contribute to some global warming?
I'm down to burn some rubber...s
Posted on 9/12/14 at 2:53 pm to Vols&Shaft83
Posted on 9/12/14 at 2:53 pm to mmcgrath
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3 out of the 4 are just as prevalent today and disease has been lessened by science, not factories.
Oh, I disagree completely -- not that science has made extraordinary contributions, but that poverty, disease, and violence in industrialized nations at all mirror what they were in the 1800s. I don't think there's any question that industrialization saved millions upon millions of lives.
Posted on 9/12/14 at 3:22 pm to mmcgrath
It takes factories and manufacturers to make those pharmaceutical goods that were created by science.
Posted on 9/12/14 at 4:01 pm to SpidermanTUba
quote:Not put too fine a point on it, but I'm typing this from a porch rocker on the beach. Gorgeous day btw. As I look up and down the oceanfront though, I don't see the homes of poor folks, at least not here. Do poor elsewhere generally live on the Beachfront?
Flooding is pretty painful for the poor, too.
Do you have stats laying out the relative numbers of "poor folks" in direct jeopardy of your supposed "rising tide".
Posted on 9/12/14 at 4:14 pm to deltaland
quote:Pharmaceutical goods are manufactured in labs, not factories. They are really big labs, but still labs.
It takes factories and manufacturers to make those pharmaceutical goods that were created by science.
And really, "factories" aren't really the problem for global warming. It's the power source they use, unless they are manufacturing chemicals or something that produces a lot of waste in the process.
Posted on 9/12/14 at 4:16 pm to NC_Tigah
quote:You don't have to have beachfront property to be in a flood prone area.
Not put too fine a point on it, but I'm typing this from a porch rocker on the beach. Gorgeous day btw. As I look up and down the oceanfront though, I don't see the homes of poor folks, at least not here. Do poor elsewhere generally live on the Beachfront?
Do you have stats laying out the relative numbers of "poor folks" in direct jeopardy of your supposed "rising tide".
It is a very nice day though, even here in Jersey.
Posted on 9/12/14 at 4:16 pm to GoBigOrange86
there is no talk about solutions because fricked up US conservatives don't believe it is happening.
Posted on 9/12/14 at 4:20 pm to Tigah in the ATL
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Tigah in the ATL
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mmcgrath
Why do you 2 hate poor people so much?
Posted on 9/12/14 at 4:23 pm to GoBigOrange86
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Pollution is bad. So is a massive downgrade in quality of life because it will necessarily hit the poor harder. There has to be some kind of a balance.
Agreed. And that balance will come as solar power becomes more viable over the coming years IMO.
Posted on 9/12/14 at 4:23 pm to mmcgrath
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Pharmaceutical goods are manufactured in labs, not factories. They are really big labs, but still labs.
But very rich people like Andrew Carnegie and Bill Gates, who made their fortunes thanks to industrialization, would have been unable to make their sterling contributions to scientific progress without their wealth. Industrialization enabled many to devote themselves to scientific pursuits.
Posted on 9/12/14 at 4:24 pm to Powerman
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Agreed. And that balance will come as solar power becomes more viable over the coming years IMO.
I hope it does. That would be fantastic.
Posted on 9/12/14 at 4:26 pm to mmcgrath
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Pharmaceutical goods are manufactured in labs, not factories. They are really big labs, but still labs.
Using that logic you could say the same thing about a refinery.
The terms plant and factory are more than suitable enough for where pharma goods are manufactured. They might be developed in a lab but they're manufactured in a fricking plant. Period.
Posted on 9/12/14 at 4:26 pm to mmcgrath
quote:"Flood prone" has limited relevance in the discussion. We're not talking about impact of rising oceans on the Red River Basin, or on the Mississippi overflowing levees in Illinois.
You don't have to have beachfront property to be in a flood prone area.
Posted on 9/12/14 at 4:27 pm to GoBigOrange86
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But very rich people like Andrew Carnegie and Bill Gates, who made their fortunes thanks to industrialization, would have been unable to make their sterling contributions to scientific progress without their wealth.
Bill Gates gives a pittance of the money he makes to science. And he really made his money through marketing, not industrialization. Like AOL, he practically gave the O/S away in the beginning. Since then he has probably done more to kill good programming and development (as well as industry) through Microsoft by buying very successful products and killing them off.
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