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re: G-Dub was right. Deal with it, Libs.
Posted on 9/11/14 at 3:41 pm to CherryGarciaMan
Posted on 9/11/14 at 3:41 pm to CherryGarciaMan
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I could speak about Noreiga and the contras, or our interventions in other Central American gov'ts, but I'm not too versed on their history for maybe obvious reasons.
I bet you probably still know enough to educate these morons. But why bother? frick em. Let em be stupid.
This post was edited on 9/11/14 at 3:42 pm
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Posted on 9/11/14 at 3:44 pm to TK421
I blame Bush for his bullshite and I blame Obama for his. I'm an equal opportunity blamer. 
Posted on 9/11/14 at 3:45 pm to SpidermanTUba
Even though I didnt vote for him, I had some hope for Obama in the area of foreign policy when he first came into office. He talked pretty sternly on our enemies in Iraq and especially Afganistan. I thought that even though he obviously wanted to get us out of Iraq ASAP (I mean, we all wanted that right?), he would at least have the common sense enough to keep some sort of US presence there to oversee the welfare of that fledgling govt. and keep it's enemies at bay... He didnt do that, though. As soon as he saw a slight crack in the door, he bolted and pulled just about every US resource out and declared victory...
Everybody of any intelligence in the US and our allies cheered even though we all knew it was too soon.
Everybody of any intelligence in the US and our allies cheered even though we all knew it was too soon.
Posted on 9/11/14 at 3:45 pm to CherryGarciaMan
It seems the postwar effort plays a large factor.
Posted on 9/11/14 at 3:48 pm to sumtimeitbeslikedat
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he would at least have the common sense enough to keep some sort of US presence there to oversee the welfare of that fledgling govt. and keep it's enemies at bay... He didnt do that, though. As soon as he saw a slight crack in the door, he bolted and pulled just about every US resource out and declared victory...
He actually just left pretty much in accord with what Iraq and ole Bushie had hammered down before Obama took office. You know Iraq, right? The sovereign country we'd talking about? Can you believe we let them have a say in their own affairs?
Posted on 9/11/14 at 3:49 pm to sumtimeitbeslikedat
So you realize now that your thread title is delusional? GDub was the one who agreed to pull out. Obama did exactly what GDub agreed to. 
Posted on 9/11/14 at 3:50 pm to SpidermanTUba
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I bet you probably still know enough to educate these morons. But why bother? frick em. Let em be stupid
Obvious grasp for an ally for support of faulty logic...
Just like Obama...
Dude... we love you. Clear the fog off of your eyes and come over to the right side...
Posted on 9/11/14 at 3:52 pm to sumtimeitbeslikedat
No, it was Dick Cheney who actually got it right:
- 1994
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Because if we'd gone to Baghdad we would have been all alone. There wouldn't have been anybody else with us. There would have been a U.S. occupation of Iraq. None of the Arab forces that were willing to fight with us in Kuwait were willing to invade Iraq.
Once you got to Iraq and took it over, took down Saddam Hussein's government, then what are you going to put in its place? That's a very volatile part of the world, and if you take down the central government of Iraq, you could very easily end up seeing pieces of Iraq fly off: part of it, the Syrians would like to have to the west, part of it -- eastern Iraq -- the Iranians would like to claim, they fought over it for eight years. In the north you've got the Kurds, and if the Kurds spin loose and join with the Kurds in Turkey, then you threaten the territorial integrity of Turkey.
It's a quagmire if you go that far and try to take over Iraq.
The other thing was casualties. Everyone was impressed with the fact we were able to do our job with as few casualties as we had. But for the 146 Americans killed in action, and for their families -- it wasn't a cheap war. And the question for the president, in terms of whether or not we went on to Baghdad, took additional casualties in an effort to get Saddam Hussein, was how many additional dead Americans is Saddam worth?
Our judgment was, not very many, and I think we got it right.
- 1994
Posted on 9/11/14 at 3:55 pm to CherryGarciaMan
This guy gets it.
Posted on 9/11/14 at 3:56 pm to sumtimeitbeslikedat
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Clear the fog off of your eyes and come over to the right side...
quote:
SCHIEFFER: If we do have to take action, do you think it will be a long war or a short war?
CHENEY: My own judgment based on my time as secretary of Defense, and having operated in this area in the past, I'm confident that our troops will be successful, and I think it'll go relatively quickly, but we can't...
SCHIEFFER: Weeks?
CHENEY: ...we can't count on that.
SCHIEFFER: Months?
CHENEY: Weeks rather than months.
LINK /
This post was edited on 9/11/14 at 3:57 pm
Posted on 9/11/14 at 3:58 pm to JuiceTerry
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So you realize now that your thread title is delusional? GDub was the one who agreed to pull out. Obama did exactly what GDub agreed to.
I bet if GDub was in office when that tentative timetable was reached, he would have gotten with our allies and Iraqi govt and come to a LOGICAL conclusion based on the threat and competence of the current Iraqi govt to defend itself, instead of just....
WELL, BYE AND GOOD LUCK WITH THIS MESS! YA'LL DONT GO LOSING YER HEADS NOW!
Posted on 9/11/14 at 4:03 pm to sumtimeitbeslikedat
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I bet if GDub was in office when that tentative timetable was reached
Posted on 9/11/14 at 4:03 pm to sumtimeitbeslikedat
How long have we been training the Iraqi army? They folded up shop and ran for the hills when ISIS showed up.
But we are now going to arm doctors, farmers and pharmacists to fight ISIS?
Is that really the Presidents new strategy?
But we are now going to arm doctors, farmers and pharmacists to fight ISIS?
Is that really the Presidents new strategy?
Posted on 9/11/14 at 4:05 pm to sumtimeitbeslikedat
Your thread is bad.
Deal with it.
Deal with it.
Posted on 9/11/14 at 4:08 pm to sumtimeitbeslikedat
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G-Dub was right. Deal with it, Libs.
The war should serve as a lesson on staying the hell out of that godforsaken region, but people like you still want to pretend it was the right thing to do or make excuses and enable similarly stupid politicians to get away with it again. Bush got away with it, and I am worried Obama is going to make the same mistake on yet another war that cannot be won.
Posted on 9/11/14 at 4:12 pm to sumtimeitbeslikedat
Bush was correct when he warned us that if we pulled out assets out of Iraq prematurely that AQ could come back in our place.
Don't be so sure that Bush would have stuck strictly to the original date to withdraw. If his military advisers advised that we stay longer, Bush would have made that happen.
So, Bush was right on this point.
Two points that work against Bush's judgment on the whole Iraq issue:
1) He was wrong to invade both Iraq and A-ghan. A-ghan alone would have been better. Contain Saddam and sweep AQ out of A-ghan. Hindsight is 20/20 but, it seems clear that the cost of invading and "nation building" in Iraq exceeds the benefits, especially since we're not willing to occupy the country and take enough of their oil to pay ourselves.
2) Once he decided to invade Iraq, which was a far more of a risky gamble than he thought, Bush was wrong about how long it would take to stabilize Iraq. Bush thought we could do it by 2011. He was wrong about this. IMHO, we'd have to stay in Iraq for 20 to 30 years to stabilize it. Even then, how do we get our money back after the successful 20 year mission? We don't, unless we take Iraqi oil and put it in our own gas tanks at home. The US would never do that. We are stupid for not being willing to do it, but, we would never do that.
Don't be so sure that Bush would have stuck strictly to the original date to withdraw. If his military advisers advised that we stay longer, Bush would have made that happen.
So, Bush was right on this point.
Two points that work against Bush's judgment on the whole Iraq issue:
1) He was wrong to invade both Iraq and A-ghan. A-ghan alone would have been better. Contain Saddam and sweep AQ out of A-ghan. Hindsight is 20/20 but, it seems clear that the cost of invading and "nation building" in Iraq exceeds the benefits, especially since we're not willing to occupy the country and take enough of their oil to pay ourselves.
2) Once he decided to invade Iraq, which was a far more of a risky gamble than he thought, Bush was wrong about how long it would take to stabilize Iraq. Bush thought we could do it by 2011. He was wrong about this. IMHO, we'd have to stay in Iraq for 20 to 30 years to stabilize it. Even then, how do we get our money back after the successful 20 year mission? We don't, unless we take Iraqi oil and put it in our own gas tanks at home. The US would never do that. We are stupid for not being willing to do it, but, we would never do that.
This post was edited on 9/11/14 at 4:14 pm
Posted on 9/11/14 at 4:13 pm to Tactical1
I was hoping to get at least one liberal convert to admit coming to their senses that us pulling out like we did was wrong, but so far Obama is the only one to do that. And like everything he does, his admittal of fault still lacked the full committance everyone knew it should've had.
Posted on 9/11/14 at 4:16 pm to TK421
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Whether or not Bush made mistake in foreign policy is completely irrelevant when addressing the failures in Obama's presidency.
This cannot be said enough.
Posted on 9/11/14 at 4:17 pm to sumtimeitbeslikedat
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I was hoping to get at least one liberal convert to admit coming to their senses that us pulling out like we did was wrong, but so far Obama is the only one to do that. And like everything he does, his admittal of fault still lacked the full committance everyone knew it should've had.
These guys are Stoneheads that don't think.
Obama last night was telling Obama of two months ago that Obama was wrong.
Obama has completely reversed course. A short while ago, he brought the troops home from Iraq, ended the war, called it a great victory for his administration. Today, we are fighting in Iraq, sending ground troops to Iraq AND making plans to commit acts of war against Syria, a sovereign nation with which we are not at war.
Posted on 9/11/14 at 4:17 pm to sumtimeitbeslikedat
quote:Kind of like Hitler
He was quirky, but most people are to some extent
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