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re: Myth of arctic meltdown: Satellite images show summer ice cap growing
Posted on 9/1/14 at 8:41 pm to Arksulli
Posted on 9/1/14 at 8:41 pm to Arksulli
The big problem is that leftists/warmists insist on approaching the debate from an idealistic save the earth standpoint instead of a practical renewable energy standpoint which all sides would support. If warmists REALLY wanted to solve the emissions issue they would throw all their government grant money and make the incentives for big oil companies so insane to move away from oil and come up with other forms of energy that they make more money from a new source of energy. They'd also throw their support behind nuclear energy as well if they were truly serious about non CO2 emitting energy. They won't of course because those industries traditionally support Republicans and we can't have clean renewable non CO2 emitting energy if the result strengthens the Republican party in any way.
This post was edited on 9/1/14 at 8:45 pm
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Posted on 9/1/14 at 9:22 pm to Govt Tide
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... make the incentives for big oil companies so insane to move away from oil and come up with other forms of energy...
Its called cap and trade.
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. They'd also throw their support behind nuclear energy as well if they were truly serious about non CO2 emitting energy.
cap&trade would provide a massive incentive for nuclear power. Though cap&trade would not really care in particular what the alternative is so if there is something better than nuclear then so be it.
I also have no idea why you think its necessary in particular for the oil companies to develop the alternatives. Whichever company can do it the cheapest and bestest should.
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They won't of course
They have. Cap & trade was a big part of Obama's agenda early on, before the Republicans killed it.
I'm happy to see you support cap & trade! It was originally a Republican idea, back in the 80's - applied to things like leaded fuel and acid rain - and it worked very well. The Democrats wanted to have straight up limits on emissions - the Republicans said hey, if one company can emit less than their allotment, they should be allowed to sell the balance to another company - and cap&trade was born. It accomplishes the goal of reduced emission with the very least possible regulation.
This post was edited on 9/1/14 at 9:27 pm
Posted on 9/1/14 at 9:36 pm to SpidermanTUba
The Republicans supported those measures because they were practical, reasonably painless ways to eliminate PROVEN health threatening problems like acid rain and pollution. Stopping a very basic element that occurs naturally and doesn't pollute (CO2) is completely inpractical.
Posted on 9/1/14 at 10:03 pm to SpidermanTUba
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Its called cap and trade.
Posted on 9/1/14 at 10:15 pm to Govt Tide
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The big problem is that leftists/warmists insist on approaching the debate from an idealistic save the earth standpoint instead of a practical renewable energy standpoint which all sides would support. If warmists REALLY wanted to solve the emissions issue they would throw all their government grant money and make the incentives for big oil companies so insane to move away from oil and come up with other forms of energy that they make more money from a new source of energy. They'd also throw their support behind nuclear energy as well if they were truly serious about non CO2 emitting energy. They won't of course because those industries traditionally support Republicans and we can't have clean renewable non CO2 emitting energy if the result strengthens the Republican party in any way.
I agree with this.
Posted on 9/1/14 at 10:15 pm to NC_Tigah
Australia repealed their cap and trade after it severely hurt the lower class on gas and energy costs.
I always find it curious how we blame the private sector for harmful economic damage, when the GOVERNMENT is by far the biggest polluter.
I always find it curious how we blame the private sector for harmful economic damage, when the GOVERNMENT is by far the biggest polluter.
Posted on 9/1/14 at 10:19 pm to HailHailtoMichigan!
I am reminded of... Denmark is it? Anywho, plentiful off shore oil deposits, some natural gas to exploit. A country dedicated to a green energy solution.
And their household electric bills are the highest in the world. At what point does protecting the environment take precedence over crippling the economy?
And their household electric bills are the highest in the world. At what point does protecting the environment take precedence over crippling the economy?
Posted on 9/2/14 at 2:59 am to Patrick_Bateman
quote:This is true. I used to think the whole GW thingy was just liberal/progressive BS. But it is a FACT that it is a CONSENSUS among scientists who get paid to study this stuff, that GW is real and that human activity does play a part in it.
It's essentially unanimous among leading scientists around the world that global warming is real.
Posted on 9/2/14 at 8:57 am to JazzyJeff
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But it is a FACT that it is a CONSENSUS among scientists who get paid to study this stuff
Paid with government grants....
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