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Posted on 8/30/14 at 11:00 am to TDFreak
I believe gas lines must still be metal. Not sure of metal type though. I have a DR Horton home here in Texas that we "built" 2 yrs ago and everything is fine. Yes it is cookie cutter, but it works for us and property value has gone up ~$40k. I will be getting PMI taken off soon.
Posted on 8/30/14 at 1:11 pm to TigerDonk
quote:I have heard of this happening as well.
A good friend of mine left horton to go to dsld, for "ethical reasons." I don't know the details but it spoke volumes to me.
Posted on 8/30/14 at 1:31 pm to dkreller
I've worked for DSLD and Horton for years. DSLD is a better quality home. They are adamant on their supers about quality control. They build decent starter homes but they're are a tract builder so expect a tract builder home.
Posted on 8/30/14 at 1:44 pm to whit
quote:How is the long term integrity of the home? I'm in one of those DSLD starter homes right now, but I'm looking up upgrade. I like a location of a new community they are developing off of I12 in Madisonville/Covington with much larger/nicer homes $250K+. I don't really care about a lot of the things that make people go the custom route; just a good looking, well made house that will last for more than 10 years.
whit
Posted on 8/30/14 at 1:51 pm to TigerTatorTots
I wouldn't worry about the house lasting ten years, sure they'll be some issues with appliances, HVAC, etc.. but other than a tornado or other external issue, the house should be fine in ten years' time. It would be the neighborhood I would be more concerned with over time.
Every neighborhood trends and ages differently; no one here can correctly predict where a subdivision will be in a decade. Usually developments with higher valued houses trend better but, as they say, I can't call it.
Every neighborhood trends and ages differently; no one here can correctly predict where a subdivision will be in a decade. Usually developments with higher valued houses trend better but, as they say, I can't call it.
Posted on 8/30/14 at 1:53 pm to soccerfüt
quote:That is what I'm thinking. The development has 2 other builders in it all in the same price range of homes. Its also in an area that will probably be the next boom of west St tammany much like highway 21 has been over the past few years
Every neighborhood trends and ages differently; no one here can correctly predict where a subdivision will be in a decade. Usually developments with higher valued houses trend better but, as they say, I can't call it.
Posted on 8/30/14 at 1:59 pm to TigerTatorTots
I know a lot of the principals involved at several levels of DSLD. They have made a small cottage industry of buying chunks of lots in Horton neighborhoods and then stressing the superior build quality in comparison. It has worked.
Any builder that works for the starter to mid-size market segment will be more flexible if they constrain floor plans. It makes things easier on their subs who who can keep things moving, which keeps their construction schedules on time and on budget.
I was still full time in the Real-Estate finance game when Horton rolled into town with KB Homes. Their standards and QC/QA were for total shite. South Point in Denham and Woodland Ridge in Walker are what will perpetuate the LP stereotypical neighborhood for years to come.
The homes fell apart so quickly that people found themselves unable to move out, and when appreciation didn't naturally occur, they were underwater. So, what to do in that situation? Well, if you didn't let the lender foreclose, you rent the sumbitch out, that's what.
So you take a shite built home and put a renter in there, and it's going to end up making the home even more craptastic than before, to say nothing of causing further house price and comparable sale numbers to crater and implode.
Their shitty arse work has the potential to ripple through De ham and Walker with the kinds of people who will flock to those neighborhoods over the course of time as they regress further and further.
Just a horrible deal.
So when I see DSLD doing what they're doing in those neighborhoods and others Horton is involved in I'm really really hopeful that they can sort've stem that tide.
Any builder that works for the starter to mid-size market segment will be more flexible if they constrain floor plans. It makes things easier on their subs who who can keep things moving, which keeps their construction schedules on time and on budget.
I was still full time in the Real-Estate finance game when Horton rolled into town with KB Homes. Their standards and QC/QA were for total shite. South Point in Denham and Woodland Ridge in Walker are what will perpetuate the LP stereotypical neighborhood for years to come.
The homes fell apart so quickly that people found themselves unable to move out, and when appreciation didn't naturally occur, they were underwater. So, what to do in that situation? Well, if you didn't let the lender foreclose, you rent the sumbitch out, that's what.
So you take a shite built home and put a renter in there, and it's going to end up making the home even more craptastic than before, to say nothing of causing further house price and comparable sale numbers to crater and implode.
Their shitty arse work has the potential to ripple through De ham and Walker with the kinds of people who will flock to those neighborhoods over the course of time as they regress further and further.
Just a horrible deal.
So when I see DSLD doing what they're doing in those neighborhoods and others Horton is involved in I'm really really hopeful that they can sort've stem that tide.
This post was edited on 8/30/14 at 2:04 pm
Posted on 8/30/14 at 2:05 pm to PLaneTiger
quote:
Check out D.R. Horton there shite is better quality
as a DR Horton owner, and my brother being a DSLD owner... DSLD is a better product
no question about it
Posted on 8/30/14 at 2:06 pm to TDFreak
quote:
I was a little leery of their use of hoses for water and gas lines in the house (I'd prefer metal pipe)...but I guess that's ok per building code now. Curious to see what goes down 30-40 yrs from now. Especially plastic pipe in hot attics.
It's called PEX and it has been around forever actually in commercial and natural gas applications. It has only recently (the past 7-8 years) really caught on in residential construction due to the constant rising cost of copper.
It, like copper, has it's pros and cons but if installed correctly you won't have any issues with it and unlike copper if you have a leak at least you won't have to bust up your slab to fix it.
Posted on 8/30/14 at 2:09 pm to VetteGuy
quote:
He may have a point about cure times, but the cracks are more likely the the result of poor compaction.
No. Probably just surface cracks that the guy is overreacting about. Every slab is going to get them to some degree. They aren't an issue unless you can see them spreading and the rule of thumb is if you can fit a quarter in them then have it looked at. As far as cure times you can add accelerator in the winter and retardant in the summer so you get the proper cure time. Slabs now days are safe to start building on the next day. There is a lot more engineering in concrete these days than there used to be.
Posted on 8/30/14 at 2:13 pm to stout
Rag's opinion on DR Horton
quote:
DR Horton is fricking terrible and their negative impact on this real estate market and construction economy gets worse by the day ... their developments are cookie cutter .. everything they build, they build cheaply .. they use illegal labor and pay them below peanuts .. they deal with very very few local vendors and a lot of their dealings occur via national accounts out of Texas .. People that are buying their homes have problems with them almost immediately .. then they pay the garbage laborers the same pennies to fix the problems that they caused ... in about 10 years, these poor people are going to find out the hard way that they will not be able to sell their DR Horton home for what the guy down the street that dealt with a local, quality builder will ... in a 65 lot development, in the long run, the area is much better served with someone selling these to a series of local builders or directly to buyers as an investment for a potential custom built home ... sure Horton has the gobs of cash that the local guys just don't have .. and it is mainly because Horton spends 30 to 40% less than the average builder to complete a new construction process and then sells it for more .. their profit margins are insane and they have cash to burn ..
Posted on 8/30/14 at 2:15 pm to stout
Agree with stout. A close immediate family member works with concrete construction daily. 24 hours for residential slabs and they're good to go.
Posted on 8/30/14 at 2:27 pm to stout
Yeah, I was assuming he was talking about more than those fine, hairline cracks. I am still a big believer in having a compaction test.
While I understand and agree about the engineering in concrete, how many do a slump test to check strength?
I've see mixes to be pretty inconsistent.
As always, it comes down to people doing the right thing.
While I understand and agree about the engineering in concrete, how many do a slump test to check strength?
I've see mixes to be pretty inconsistent.
As always, it comes down to people doing the right thing.
Posted on 8/30/14 at 2:30 pm to VetteGuy
quote:
how many do a slump test to check strength?
IIRC those are usually done at the yard and kept on record just in case there is an issue down the road so the concrete company can prove it wasn't their mix.
Posted on 8/30/14 at 2:31 pm to stout
A guy I work with has issues with mice eating holes in his pex lines. This is not unheard of.
Posted on 8/30/14 at 2:34 pm to schwag
I have heard of that too, but I have never seen it or dealt with it.
I have dealt with acidic soil messing up copper and that is a PitA I wouldn't wish on anyone. I would rather fix PEX all day than fight that.
I have dealt with acidic soil messing up copper and that is a PitA I wouldn't wish on anyone. I would rather fix PEX all day than fight that.
Posted on 8/30/14 at 2:35 pm to schwag
They're eating more than his gas lines f they're in his attic.
Posted on 8/30/14 at 2:36 pm to VetteGuy
They'll eat the shite out of foam insulation and the plastic coating on Romex. They'll create a fire hazard for you really fast.
Posted on 8/30/14 at 2:43 pm to VetteGuy
I dont think they're after the gas lines so much. Mice and rat poison tends to make them thirsty. The intent is that they leave the house and die outside while getting water. Apparently with pex they sense the water in the lines and chew through to get it, drink the water, then die in the house. Busted water line AND dead rodents. Epic fail.
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