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The True History Of How Vietnam Was Lost
Posted on 8/29/14 at 10:58 am
Posted on 8/29/14 at 10:58 am
Posted on 8/29/14 at 11:04 am to Nativebullet
so a bunch of democrats screwed shite up.. what else is new
Posted on 8/29/14 at 11:13 am to Nativebullet
I made this exact argument on here about a year or so ago and was excoriated for it.
Not only did we win the Vietnam War, it was actually one of the most complete and decisive victories in the history of modern warfare.
Not only did we win the Vietnam War, it was actually one of the most complete and decisive victories in the history of modern warfare.
This post was edited on 8/29/14 at 11:18 am
Posted on 8/29/14 at 11:25 am to Nativebullet
fricking New Media lost that war and it was the start of the MSM controlling everything in this country.
Posted on 8/29/14 at 11:32 am to Nativebullet
So in short, the Dems fricked us.
Posted on 8/29/14 at 1:42 pm to Nativebullet
Posted on 8/29/14 at 4:44 pm to Nativebullet
We "lost" by getting involved in the first place. It was a useless war that never should have been fought.
Posted on 8/29/14 at 9:22 pm to Nativebullet
Dude losing to Texas was a pretty damn big deal in the 70's.
Posted on 8/29/14 at 9:59 pm to Nativebullet
quote:
how Vietnam was lost
It was a Civil War. John Kennedy said the war was a war for the Vietnamese, not the Americans, the Vietnamese would determine their own fate. Then he was killed.
We never should have gone there any more than where we have been for the last 12yrs.
This post was edited on 8/29/14 at 10:02 pm
Posted on 8/29/14 at 11:10 pm to Nativebullet
Well, I was a history professor, so let me clear the air a bit here.
I'm not going to engage in a long and drawn out debate, but let me be the soon to be drowned out voice of reason in this sea of bullshite.
The Vietnam War was, in fact, a series of military victories for the United States. However, as President Kennedy said in 1963, speaking of South Vietnam, "in the final analysis, it is their war. They're the ones who have to win it or lose it."
That was true when Kennedy was still alive, and it was the reality that Johnson faced later. McNamara and everyone else advised him, accurately, that South Vietnam could not win the war on its own, and that American withdrawal, regardless of whatever supplies we provided (nice try, Bruce), would result in South Vietnam's defeat. That is why Johnson ultimately decided to commit American combat forces.
Nixon understood this as well, and knew well that his Vietnamization policy would fail just as it had under Kennedy and Johnson. He continued American involvement for another four years trying to get a reasonable settlement.
If there's one thing that is the silver bullet against this ridiculous theory in the video that the war was won until the Democrats fricked it up, it is the reaction to the accords by the South Vietnamese government. Look it up. They were terrified, because they knew what it meant for them. Nixon and Kissinger's agreement with North Vietnam, not later congressional action, doomed South Vietnam. Or rather, it sealed their fate, because they were doomed all along.
As much as the former Nixon assistant in the video would like you to believe otherwise, it was not the fault of the Democratic Party. Nor was it the fault of the Republican Party. There were two Democratic and two Republican presidents involved in Vietnam after the French defeat, and none of them found success there. It was a national tragedy, not a partisan one.
I'm not going to engage in a long and drawn out debate, but let me be the soon to be drowned out voice of reason in this sea of bullshite.
The Vietnam War was, in fact, a series of military victories for the United States. However, as President Kennedy said in 1963, speaking of South Vietnam, "in the final analysis, it is their war. They're the ones who have to win it or lose it."
That was true when Kennedy was still alive, and it was the reality that Johnson faced later. McNamara and everyone else advised him, accurately, that South Vietnam could not win the war on its own, and that American withdrawal, regardless of whatever supplies we provided (nice try, Bruce), would result in South Vietnam's defeat. That is why Johnson ultimately decided to commit American combat forces.
Nixon understood this as well, and knew well that his Vietnamization policy would fail just as it had under Kennedy and Johnson. He continued American involvement for another four years trying to get a reasonable settlement.
If there's one thing that is the silver bullet against this ridiculous theory in the video that the war was won until the Democrats fricked it up, it is the reaction to the accords by the South Vietnamese government. Look it up. They were terrified, because they knew what it meant for them. Nixon and Kissinger's agreement with North Vietnam, not later congressional action, doomed South Vietnam. Or rather, it sealed their fate, because they were doomed all along.
As much as the former Nixon assistant in the video would like you to believe otherwise, it was not the fault of the Democratic Party. Nor was it the fault of the Republican Party. There were two Democratic and two Republican presidents involved in Vietnam after the French defeat, and none of them found success there. It was a national tragedy, not a partisan one.
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