re: 2nd 'Merican killed fighting for ISIS

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We can't take the chance of killing an American citizen without affording him due process. I learned a little while back from some really smart righties that we can't just go around killing Americans who are foreign combatants engaged in warefare against the U.S. - constitution bla bla obama benghazi - they need a trial

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Nice mischaracterization.

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2nd 'Merican killed fighting for ISIS

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I don't care about "due process" if we're talking Islamic jihadists. They forfeit their right to "due process" when they leave America and commit the treasonous act of joining jihadis. They are no longer American citizens at that point.



Until one renounces their American citizenship, they are still Americans entitled to due process. We cannot abandon our rights and privileges when they become inconvenient or we will have no rights when they become inconvenient for our government. He who would give up an ounce of liberty for an ounce of security deserves neither liberty nor security.

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Why do you draw the line there at that specific point? Why aren't you out vandalizing traffic cameras? Why are you posting on the internet where your every keystroke is being monitored? Why do you (presumably) send text messages which are illegally monitored? Why aren't you protesting the US government over the poor saps who are still being held in Guantanimo Bay in violation of the Geneva Convention?

If you are okay with the above, it's ridiculous for you to go out of your way to exempt a traitor that America knows enough about to drone.

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ISIS is not fighting against the U.S., they are fighting against the Syrian government, rival Syrian rebel groups, the Iraqi government, and the Kurds.

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:link to beheading, cam phone pictures in front of white house and in chicago threatening to bomb and kill americans:

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:link to beheading, cam phone pictures in front of white house and in chicago threatening to bomb and kill americans:

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Then capture those ISIS members that are Americans and try them. If there is so much evidence of their guilt, a guilty verdict and death sentence of treason is all but assured. We are Americans. Me must do things the right way, even when it's hard, because we are better than the rest of the world. We are Americans, and due process is an American right. You wouldn't want the government deciding to label you a terrorist and executing you without due process. Why should you wish such a fate on another person.

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I agree, but not until being brought to trial and found guilty of treason. This is why we have courts.

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Nah, IMO due process needs to be a somewhat reciprocal thing. We're not talking about an entity that has agreed to any UN or Geneva protocol. I realize that by the strictest law of the land they are "protected" as "US Citizens" and maybe that needs to be amended given the rise of global terrorism... But it's easier for Obama or the current commander in chief to just exploit this gray area b/c nobody except the strictest Constitutionalists give two fricks.

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When a US citizen leaves to receive IS or Al Qaeda training, he/she is committing treason and de-facto loses rights at that moment

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Yeah. No.

Who gets to decide what groups your association with costs you your citizenship? Is there a trial or just a person that decides this?

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It's easy to say that when all of our droning is against brown people in some distant, far away desert, but what if that droning becomes your state, your city, your neighborhood, your home. "Do unto others as you would have them do unto you."

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Then we'll all sigh and say "damnit, we should have never stood for those traffic cameras. We know that when we didn't rise up en masse to get those heinous unconstitutional Orwellian terror objects removed the moment they were installed we were on the slippery slope. And yet we did nothing."

I'm talking strictly when they're on foreign soil in places where we have allies that we can't rely on to extradite them.

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I'm talking strictly when they're on foreign soil in places where we have allies that we can't rely on to extradite them.

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Then, with the permission of the recognized sovereign governmental authority, use a special ops team to abduct them, charge them, and return them to the U.S. to stand trial.