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re: DC: "No Jokes" Floating Around
Posted on 8/27/14 at 2:18 pm to TigerMyth36
Posted on 8/27/14 at 2:18 pm to TigerMyth36
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Sorry Freaux but Avengers clearly had some slapstick comedy. Hulk slamming Loki into the ground is no different than Moe poking Larry in the eyes.
While true, that doesn't make it a "Slapstick Comedy." Nor does it make the film "a comedy," that's all I'm saying.
And even then, Hulk does this, in the comics. This isn't something outlandish like Leslie Nielsen wearing a giant condom. That's slapstick.
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Posted on 8/27/14 at 2:20 pm to Freauxzen
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Hulk does this, in the comics. This isn't something outlandish like Leslie Nielsen wearing a giant condom.
what does the hulk doing it in the comics have to do with being a defense for not being slapstick? that just means he is just as slapstick in the comics.
the avengers borders on being a comedy pretty hard at times.
Posted on 8/27/14 at 2:23 pm to Freauxzen
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Leslie Nielsen wearing a giant condom
You keep quoting extreme examples of slapstick.
Moe poking Larry in the eyes is the human equivalent of Hulk smashing Loki.
Are you saying the Stooges weren't slapstick?
Why are you upset with Hulk having slapstick fun?
One slapstick moment in a movie doesn't mean it is a comedy.
Posted on 8/27/14 at 2:30 pm to BlacknGold
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what does the hulk doing it in the comics have to do with being a defense for not being slapstick? that just means he is just as slapstick in the comics.
Because much of comedy's effect comes from it's relativity to "normalcy."
See the definition of slapstick:
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Slapstick is the recourse to humor involving exaggerated physical activity which exceeds the boundaries of common sense.
Hulk can do that to Loki because Hulk is Hulk, he's a ridiculous brute who Smashes, and Loki is a demi-god who can withstand it. It's still funny, but within their reality, it is very much "common sense," or logical that Hulk and Loki can do such things.
If Hawkeye does that to Widow, or even if Hulk does the same bit to Widow, that's more slapstick. Because relative to their "Reality," that's still completely unrealistic. Hawkeye can't do that, and if Hulk did, Widow should clearly die. The better word is absurd, like a giant condom.
Posted on 8/27/14 at 2:31 pm to TigerMyth36
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One slapstick moment in a movie doesn't mean it is a comedy.
That's all I'm saying. The movie isn't even an "Action Comedy," we're just fixating on one point, like always.
Posted on 8/27/14 at 2:36 pm to Freauxzen
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we're just fixating on one point, like always.
coming from the person who just quoted the dictionary on slapstick. if you cant see how that moment is slapstick, than thats on you. i cant explain it any further.
also, we arent stuck on one point. that was one example. the movie has a ton of jovial, "laugh out loud" moments.
This post was edited on 8/27/14 at 2:39 pm
Posted on 8/27/14 at 2:41 pm to BlacknGold
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coming from the person who just quoted the dictionary on slapstick.
Well, I agreed with you a page ago, and Myth. Why can't you see that?
And I said WE which means me too. No need to get snarky.
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if you cant see how that moment is slapstick, then thats on you. i cant explain it any further.
I agreed with this, 3 times. Reading comprehension! I said it doesn't make the movie a comedy.
Let's look where this started:
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i think what they were getting at is itll be more like those type of jokes. and not the outright slap stick kind of moments the avengers had.
Name all the real slapstick moments (not just funny moments) outside of the two Hulk bits.
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also, we arent stuck on one point. that was one example. the movie has a ton of jovial, "laugh out loud" moments.
Of course it does. It's a film that isn't trying to be ultra serious, and trys to entertain the audience. This doesn't make it a "comedy."
If anything, we should be having this discussion about Guardians, which is much closer to an outright comedy movie.
This post was edited on 8/27/14 at 2:59 pm
Posted on 8/27/14 at 3:06 pm to Freauxzen
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That's taking it a little far. Avengers didn't have slapstick humor.
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Oh of course. Just not slap stick.
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Hulk can do that to Loki because Hulk is Hulk, he's a ridiculous brute who Smashes, and Loki is a demi-god who can withstand it. It's still funny, but within their reality, it is very much "common sense,"
so did you agree or not? its not a reading comprehension problem. you just jump back and forth. i brought up the hulk/loki thing once. you ran with it and made it the center of what we were getting at.
Posted on 8/27/14 at 3:09 pm to TigerMyth36
By the way, slap stick has nothing to do with breaking the laws of physics. The reality of Avengers has nothing to do with it being slap stick or not.
When Loki gets slammed around like a rag doll, that's slap stick.
When Tony's armor codpiece slams into his crotch, that's slap stick.
When Tony's robot continuously douses him with a fire extinguisher, that's slap stick.
When Thor gets side-punched by Hulk for no reason, that's slap stick.
It's Vaudeville humor and there's nothing wrong with it. But don't think for a moment that Marvel movies don't have their share of slap stick humor.
When Loki gets slammed around like a rag doll, that's slap stick.
When Tony's armor codpiece slams into his crotch, that's slap stick.
When Tony's robot continuously douses him with a fire extinguisher, that's slap stick.
When Thor gets side-punched by Hulk for no reason, that's slap stick.
It's Vaudeville humor and there's nothing wrong with it. But don't think for a moment that Marvel movies don't have their share of slap stick humor.
Posted on 8/27/14 at 3:15 pm to BlacknGold
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so did you agree or not? its not a reading comprehension problem. you just jump back and forth. i brought up the hulk/loki thing once. you ran with it and made it the center of what we were getting at.
Well one, you missed that whole comment on Page 2 and responded to an answer to Myth. So I'm not the only one doing that. You could have let Myth and I bash it out, which is what we do in jest most of the time.
Yeah, first comment:
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That's taking it a little far. Avengers didn't have slapstick humor. Slapstick humor is Leslie Nielsen.
It had the Hulk/Thor punch, which is very much in character.
There's "in general" which your original comment pointed to, and these two moments. Of course those moments are slapstick in construction, doesn't mean the comedy in the film is of a slapstick nature.
Posted on 8/27/14 at 3:18 pm to Freauxzen
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doesn't mean the comedy in the film is of a slapstick nature.
when did i say the entire movie was slapstick? i said it had slapstick moments and ton of comedic moments.
my entire point is that the Avengers borders on being a comedy
Posted on 8/27/14 at 3:22 pm to Fewer Kilometers
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By the way, slap stick has nothing to do with breaking the laws of physics.
You're right, but that's one common theme. It's about absurdity.
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When Loki gets slammed around like a rag doll, that's slap stick.
When Tony's armor codpiece slams into his crotch, that's slap stick.
When Thor gets side-punched by Hulk for no reason, that's slap stick.
And? I wouldn't disagree.
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When Tony's robot continuously douses him with a fire extinguisher, that's slap stick.
Technically, this is screwball comedy. Not slapstick.
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But don't think for a moment that Marvel movies don't have their share of slap stick humor.
Again, that's vague.Of course they have moments. But saying the Avengers, in general, has "outlandish slapstick moments," is a bit far. Most of the comedy in the Avengers is dialog and situational, not slapstick. And they aren't even Action-Comedies. Again, that's something like 21 Jump Street.
Posted on 8/27/14 at 3:24 pm to BlacknGold
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when did i say the entire movie was slapstick? i said it had slapstick moments and ton of comedic moments.
my entire point is that the Avengers borders on being a comedy
Again, the conversation derailed when you responded to my response to Myth about Hulk, here's my original response when you cleared it up:
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slapstick was the wrong word for it. but did you not see the point i was still trying to make? its way more jovial and "punchy" (no pun intended) than the dark knight stuff.
Oh of course. Just not slap stick.
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the avengers is more of an action/comedy than a drama, which i think DC is aiming for
I wouldn't go that far. The Avengers is very much an "Action Movie," it has Silver Age comic sensibilities and 1980s fun-action overtones. Smart arse heroes. Cool one liners. Some ridiculous stunts.
Shanghai Noon or 21 Jump Street are action comedies. The Avengers isn't close to them, it isn't THAT funny.
Posted on 8/27/14 at 3:37 pm to Freauxzen
i dont see what youre trying to point out here. your example were straight up comedies with action in them. i moved past it because they were poor examples and werent worth dwelling on.
happy gilmore is a comedy, so is 21 jump street. both very different, both still comedies. theres no one mold to be labeled as a comedy.
happy gilmore is a comedy, so is 21 jump street. both very different, both still comedies. theres no one mold to be labeled as a comedy.
Posted on 8/27/14 at 3:49 pm to BlacknGold
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i dont see what youre trying to point out here.
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slapstick was the wrong word for it. but did you not see the point i was still trying to make? its way more jovial and "punchy" (no pun intended) than the dark knight stuff.
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Oh of course
Come on man. Agree!
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your example were straight up comedies with action in them. i moved past it because they were poor examples and werent worth dwelling on.
What? Those aren't poor examples, those are "Action Comedy" movies by the book. Dude, I hate linking things, but this is something generally agreed upon, at least there's a an idea:
1) Wikipedia
American Action Comedy Movies
Examples:
21 Jump Street
Nothing to Lose
48 Hours
Hudson Hawk
Inspector Gadget
Charlie's Angels
No Avengers.
2) IMDB
Action Comedy Feature Films
Examples:
Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles
Kick arse
Pain and Gain
Bad Boys
Again, No Avengers
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happy gilmore is a comedy, so is 21 jump street. both very different, both still comedies. theres no one mold to be labeled as a comedy.
But a comedy film, or even an action comedy, has a specific purpose that is not shared by The Avengers. Sorry. It is no way a comedy movie, or an Action Comedy. It does have funny moments though. Lots of Science Fiction and Action movies do.
This post was edited on 8/27/14 at 3:54 pm
Posted on 8/27/14 at 3:52 pm to BlacknGold
Posted on 8/27/14 at 3:53 pm to Freauxzen
Gotcha. I agree Avengers is not and should not be considered a comedy. My point was that it has a lot of comedic elements in it. And by comedic elements, i meant the more ridiculous kind than a dry, smirk kind of comedy.
That I think is going to be the difference in tone between Marvel and DC, which is back on topic to the thread.
That I think is going to be the difference in tone between Marvel and DC, which is back on topic to the thread.
Posted on 8/27/14 at 4:00 pm to BlacknGold
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Gotcha. I agree Avengers is not and should not be considered a comedy. My point was that it has a lot of comedic elements in it. And by comedic elements, i meant the more ridiculous kind than a dry, smirk kind of comedy.
Of course it did
THe MCU is built to not take itself so seriously, which gives them a lot of freedom to create well rounded characters. And yeah Guardians is probably an actual Action Comedy, no doubt. quote:
That I think is going to be the difference in tone between Marvel and DC, which is back on topic to the thread.
But a "no joke" policy?" Like I said, I hope they at least publicly say "Thats' BS," even if they do it behind the scenes. That's just a terrible way to think and write.
MoS's joylessness did not work, and it made everything really hard to stomach, including the weight of the situation. It was off-kilter with the level of destruction.
They didn't get the balance right, which is critical if you're going to have a "no joke" film. And it would be a total waste for Affleck not to be a complete pompous dick. That's when he's at his best, and that can provide the right kind of humor.
Posted on 8/27/14 at 4:05 pm to Freauxzen
im just straight up not going to get into MoS again. ill just leave it at we agree to disagree.
and the whole "no joke" thing is a rumor/speculation.
and the whole "no joke" thing is a rumor/speculation.
Posted on 8/27/14 at 4:06 pm to Freauxzen
There are other elements in the film that make The Avengers an action comedy.
"That man is playing Galaga. He didn't think we'd notice. But we did."
"Loki is my brother."
"He killed six people."
"He's adopted."
"That man is playing Galaga. He didn't think we'd notice. But we did."
"Loki is my brother."
"He killed six people."
"He's adopted."
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