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DC: "No Jokes" Floating Around
Posted on 8/27/14 at 11:10 am
Posted on 8/27/14 at 11:10 am
Probably a single origin point, but it's out there:
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Just strange. Don't shoot the messenger.
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Now, journalist and film-critic Drew McWeeny has reported that he (and other industry-watchers) are hearing a consistent two-word answer to the question of how Warner Bros. plans to set the world of The Justice League apart from that of The Avengers: "No jokes."
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One thing you'd have to grant "Green Lantern," whatever your feelings about it as a movie, is that they've got lots of jokes in that movie. They are resolutely unafraid to make jokes. Green Lantern/Hal Jordan/Ryan Reynolds (there is no discernible difference between these three identities) makes jokes throughout the film, and the trailer featured plenty of them. There is a wise-arse attitude to a good chunk of the film that is very much on purpose. Every one of the guys they looked at to play the lead in the film had to be as well-liked as a comic performer as an action star. That's not a long list, but it seems like the exact sweet spot that studios are constantly searching for. Look at the reaction to Chris Pratt now that he's made the jump to a lead in the biggest film of the summer. He's the guy studios dream of when they dream of new young movie stars. A sense of humor seems like an essential club to have in the golf bag, right?
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ut if "No Jokes" is a reaction to "Green Lantern," an edict that comes from a desire to simply do things differently from Marvel, it could really paint DC's movies into a corner, and I would imagine that it's giving some filmmakers pause in considering whether or not they'd want to make a DC movie.
While I thought there were some gentle pokes at genre fans in "Man Of Steel," there's nothing in that film that I'd call a joke. There were set-ups and punch-lines in the Nolan Batman films, but I wouldn't really describe those movies as "funny" in any significant way. "Green Lantern" is the one film where they really gave a character permission to talk shite in the Tony Stark manner, fast and funny and self-aware, and where audiences seemed to love it when Robert Downey Jr. did it, they did not seem as smitten with Reynolds.
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Just strange. Don't shoot the messenger.
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Posted on 8/27/14 at 11:14 am to Freauxzen
Seems about what I expected. They seemed to go very serious with MoS, so that is the way they are going. Very, very serious.
Although how you can have Flash without a few jokes is beyond me.
Although how you can have Flash without a few jokes is beyond me.
Posted on 8/27/14 at 11:19 am to Freauxzen
Very interesting.....I enjoy the comic relief in the Marvel movies.
Perhaps it's the Marvel characters that lend themselves to making more jokes?
ETA: Marvel >> DC
Perhaps it's the Marvel characters that lend themselves to making more jokes?
ETA: Marvel >> DC
This post was edited on 8/27/14 at 11:20 am
Posted on 8/27/14 at 11:22 am to Freauxzen
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Drew McWeeny has reported that he (and other industry-watchers) are hearing a consistent two-word answer to the question of how Warner Bros. plans to set the world of The Justice League apart from that of The Avengers: "No jokes."
And yet this is Lex Luthor:
Posted on 8/27/14 at 11:24 am to DeathValley85
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Very interesting.....I enjoy the comic relief in the Marvel movies.
Perhaps it's the Marvel characters that lend themselves to making more jokes?
Not only that, but the critique in the second article is spot on.
Unless your film is REALLY good, and it has something important to say, than an ultra seriousness can work. If you miss the mark at all it becomes pretentious. I would say joyless as well. That's the issue.
That level of seriousness and attempted (but failed) gravitas was a problem for MoS.
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ETA: Marvel >> DC
This post was edited on 8/27/14 at 11:25 am
Posted on 8/27/14 at 11:26 am to Freauxzen
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That level of seriousness and attempted (but failed) gravitas was a problem for MoS.
I think the comedy in Guardians made you appreciate the serious moments even more.
A good example is when Rocket talks about his past....right in the feels.
You a DC man Freauxzen?
This post was edited on 8/27/14 at 11:28 am
Posted on 8/27/14 at 11:28 am to Freauxzen
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Unless your film is REALLY good, and it has something important to say, than an ultra seriousness can work. If you miss the mark at all it becomes pretentious. I would say joyless as well. That's the issue.
That level of seriousness and attempted (but failed) gravitas was a problem for MoS.
Agreed.
It's very hard IMO to do a "comic" movie without any realy humor in it. I mean even TDK had the Joker spouting funny shite, even if it was done in a fairly serious/not hokey way. Part of the reason Avengers was so good IMO was because it balanced humor with action and "seriousness." Same thing with the original Spiderman movies...they were funny at times, which makes them more enjoyable for the subject matter IMO.
This post was edited on 8/27/14 at 1:27 pm
Posted on 8/27/14 at 11:30 am to Green Chili Tiger
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And yet this is Lex Luthor:
....but not really right?
Posted on 8/27/14 at 11:31 am to DeathValley85
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I think the comedy in Guardians made you appreciate the serious moments even more.
A good example is when Rocket talks about his past....right in the feels.
Bingo.
Comedy allows an audience to relieve tension built up. It's a normal, and very important, part of storytelling.
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You a DC man Freauxzen?
I'm a superhero fan, I like them all. But if you ask some around here....
I just see a lot of issues, like this one, with how DC is going about this.
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'd because of what that comment can turn this thread into. That's all.Posted on 8/27/14 at 11:33 am to CocomoLSU
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It's very hard IMO to do a "comic" movie without any realy humor in it. I mean even TDK had the 0oOker spouting funny shite, even if it was done in a fairly serious/not hokey way. Part of the reason Avengers was so good IMO was because it balanced humor with action and "seriousness." Same thing with the original Spiderman movies...they were funny at times, which makes them more enjoyable for the subject matter IMO.
Yup. And Nolan is a special film maker, I'm not sure they can replicate that again.
People are funny. The world is funny. Why leave such a part of humanity out by decree?
Posted on 8/27/14 at 11:35 am to DeathValley85
Not sure how true the "no jokes" mandate is.
I'd be happy to find out that their plan is to differentiate themselves from the Marvel films by taking a more serious tone.
I'd hate for it to be a mandate that would prevent Captain Marvel from having some fun included.
I do hate the reports that pop up saying that Warner is acting in a reactionary manner to every upturn and downturn in the superhero movie market. Hearing that they wanted a fun Shazam movie until Speed Racer tanked, and then they wanted a serious movie. Rumors about knee-jerk reactions to non-related movies... those tick me off.
I'd be happy to find out that their plan is to differentiate themselves from the Marvel films by taking a more serious tone.
I'd hate for it to be a mandate that would prevent Captain Marvel from having some fun included.
I do hate the reports that pop up saying that Warner is acting in a reactionary manner to every upturn and downturn in the superhero movie market. Hearing that they wanted a fun Shazam movie until Speed Racer tanked, and then they wanted a serious movie. Rumors about knee-jerk reactions to non-related movies... those tick me off.
This post was edited on 8/27/14 at 11:36 am
Posted on 8/27/14 at 11:37 am to DeathValley85
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Marvel >> DC
Posted on 8/27/14 at 11:38 am to Fewer Kilometers
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Not sure how true the "no jokes" mandate is.
Grain of salt needed at this point. I would hope at least publicly they reject that, whether or not it's going on behind closed doors. That's just insulting to the artists.
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I'd be happy to find out that their plan is to differentiate themselves from the Marvel films by taking a more serious tone.
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I do hate the reports that pop up saying that Warner is acting in a reactionary manner to every upturn and downturn in the superhero movie market.
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I'd hate for it to be a mandate that would prevent Captain Marvel from having some fun included.
Yeah how do you make this film under a "No Joke" rule?
This post was edited on 8/27/14 at 11:40 am
Posted on 8/27/14 at 11:42 am to Freauxzen
If this is true:
David Goyer has a Christopher Nolan hard-on. He desperately wants to be Nolan. I feel like this a Goyer thing to do.
David Goyer has a Christopher Nolan hard-on. He desperately wants to be Nolan. I feel like this a Goyer thing to do.
This post was edited on 8/27/14 at 11:43 am
Posted on 8/27/14 at 11:54 am to Fun Bunch
You can't have Flash or GL without jokes. They just went too heavy on the jokes in the GL movie, on top of the terrible plot, cgi, and all around design.
Posted on 8/27/14 at 12:22 pm to Fewer Kilometers
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I'd hate for it to be a mandate that would prevent Captain Marvel from having some fun included.
yeah im going to call this report a little bit of an exaggeration. probably SvB and maybe the JLA movie will be serious. But you honestly cant make a super dark Shazam movie. Especially the way Geoff Johns has rewritten him and put him in the center of the new DCU. Not to mention Johns is helping put that movie together.
seems they want to ride the coat tails of Nolans trilogy right now. who knows until we actually get to see something.
But Guardians is probably one of the best made superhero films.
Posted on 8/27/14 at 12:34 pm to Freauxzen
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I 'd because of what that comment can turn this thread into. That's all.
Couldn't help myself
Posted on 8/27/14 at 12:37 pm to DeathValley85
Posted on 8/27/14 at 12:39 pm to Freauxzen
Don't believe this for a minute. Because even in the Nolan movies there were little jokes and moments of humor.
Posted on 8/27/14 at 1:05 pm to RollTide1987
i think what they were getting at is itll be more like those type of jokes. and not the outright slap stick kind of moments the avengers had.
itll be more of the subtle, smirky kind of humor
itll be more of the subtle, smirky kind of humor
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