re: CDC alters MMR/Autism Study?? Is this a credible source?

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I don't think so. Also, as an intern I doubt she had real knowledge of the inner workings of what went on.

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Your probably right, hopefully she's wrong

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Anyone who believes vaccines cause autism should be drawn and quartered on live TV

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This. I hate loons that believe shite like this.

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Eta: She told wife it was well known that CDC gets paid off and covers things up. Maybe someone here is affiliated with them and can shed light. I haven't talked or seen this girl in a few months and never personally talked to her about that. Seems like an honest chick though.

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You can say there's too much money for there to be no coverups. But there's also too much money for there to be a coverup that lasts. Whistleblower lawsuits in pharma give around 15% back to the whistleblower. So, a standardish ruling for $80M or $300M would net a huge payoff for a whistleblower. A blockbuster lawsuit like a Vioxx could be hundreds of millions to a whistleblower.

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but is the evidence one way or another really so clear that you "hate" people who question it?

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One study suggested a link between the two. One out of however many studies have been done. IIRC, the doctor in that study admitted years later that the results were altered.

So yes, the evidence is very clear that vaccines don't cause autism

Hey I wonder if I got pertussis last year from some illegals in Houston. Interesting

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So the rate of people who dont vaccinate out number the illegals entering into the country. Just saying it seems reasonable that illegals heavily contribute to the introduction and spreading of many of these diseases.

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Even if that were true, you are sort of missing the point.

Say that infected illegals come into the US; if people vaccinate, the contagion is rebuffed, and doesn't infect anyone else; the disease only hits the illegals who brought it-- however, because of the anti-vax hysteria, there are non-vaxers who can now become infected, so we end up with pools of infected natives, which makes elimination/containment of it all the harder.

If people took reasonable steps regarding vaccination, outside a handful of immuno-compromised folks, you could parade a billion illegals in and out of the country, without it making a plug nickel's worth of difference.

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If people took reasonable steps regarding vaccination, outside a handful of immuno-compromised folks, you could parade a billion illegals in and out of the country, without it making a plug nickel's worth of difference.

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Herd immunity

What would be interesting, probably has been done, would be a study of other countries who don't have as many vaccinations given to their kids. Just seeing if their autism rate compares to ours. Say a country maybe doesn't give a high percentage of mmr vaccines to kids, do they still have a high rate of autism, or is it a lot lower? Maybe Mexico or Guatemala is kinda like that? Or is their medical services so poor they don't even keep up with autism?

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Also, I am just curious how large this anti vaccine movement is. Are 1 out of 10 kids not vaccinated? 1 out of 100? What % are we talking about?

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It actually depends on the vaccine; the latest public data the CDC published ranges from 53% vaccinating for Hep A to 94.3% DTAP.

Worse in general, is that the rates are easing downward; other than Rotovirus (available widely for only 4 years of released data , and still under a 70% vac rate), and HepA (available widely for only 5 years of released data), every other vaccination rate is down a bit.