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re: The Horrifying American Roots of Nazi Eugenics

Posted on 8/24/14 at 11:52 am to
Posted by Zach
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Posted on 8/24/14 at 11:52 am to
I can think of only one policy in this area that I could support. I think that severely mentally retarded females should be sterilized. A woman with an IQ below 60 is not capable of taking care of herself much less a child. But she is capable of becoming pregnant.
Posted by Paluka
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Posted on 8/24/14 at 11:53 am to
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So because a specific source can't be found to verify the blonde hair blue eyes claim, the main points the article makes about the U.S. eugenics programs and it's influence on Hitler should be discarded?


Not discarded but taken with a grain of salt. Hitler was not the first nor the last evil person to use something to justify a destructive plan. The eugenics "movement" in the US was not as grand as the author implies in the article. The Carnegie's of the world were funding lots of things.
Posted by FightinTigersDammit
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Posted on 8/24/14 at 11:53 am to
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I can think of only one policy in this area that I could support. I think that severely mentally retarded females should be sterilized. A woman with an IQ below 60 is not capable of taking care of herself much less a child. But she is capable of becoming pregnant.








Not only that, but has the RIGHT to become pregnant.
Posted by detmut
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Member since Sep 2011
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Posted on 8/24/14 at 12:14 pm to
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I can think of only one policy in this area that I could support. I think that severely mentally retarded females should be sterilized. A woman with an IQ below 60 is not capable of taking care of herself much less a child. But she is capable of becoming pregnant


at what age?
Posted by Revelator
Member since Nov 2008
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Posted on 8/24/14 at 12:21 pm to
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Not discarded but taken with a grain of salt. Hitler was not the first nor the last evil person to use something to justify a destructive plan. The eugenics "movement" in the US was not as grand as the author implies in the article. The Carnegie's of the world were funding lots of things.



I hear you. I didn't research the author or opposing views so I don't know if all of his details are accurate. I suspect that where he sites direct quotes though, they are.
Posted by Zach
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Posted on 8/24/14 at 12:25 pm to
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at what age?


Puberty. Your IQ doesn't increase with age. It stays the same.
Posted by Revelator
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Posted on 8/24/14 at 2:55 pm to
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The Nordic theory was around long before the US was even established.



I'm sure it was. However, the author was basically stating that Hitler used the U.S. eugenics program as a source of inspiration for his experiments into the same areas. And so did some of his scientist.
This post was edited on 8/24/14 at 2:56 pm
Posted by Big12fan
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Posted on 8/24/14 at 3:17 pm to
I always get a kick out of the Nazi master race bit when I look at the photos of some of their leaders. They were some ugly mofos. I thought Germans were supposed to be smart. What a collection of psychopaths.

Himmler



Rudolph Hess



Goebbles



Ernst Rohm



Herman Goering



And Adolph himself






This post was edited on 8/24/14 at 3:19 pm
Posted by Revelator
Member since Nov 2008
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Posted on 8/24/14 at 3:25 pm to
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I always get a kick out of the Nazi master race bit when I look at the photos of some of their leaders. They were some ugly mofos. I thought Germans were supposed to be smart. What a collection of psychopaths.



Perhaps there was too much interbreeding?
Posted by RCDfan1950
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Posted on 8/24/14 at 4:06 pm to
Ideologically blinded, B12...making Darwinian sausage for the advancement of humanity.

I would really be curious to see just where/what humanity becomes in the next 100 years. Science and 'Eugenics' will play a pivotal role. To what end...God only knows.

Posted by Revelator
Member since Nov 2008
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Posted on 8/24/14 at 4:09 pm to
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Notice how hardly any of those people in the photos above even look "Nordic" like they aspired to be.


It's similar to how today's politicians want to pass onerous laws on us that they have no intentions of following.
" blonde hair blue eyes, well exceptions can be made for the elite!"
Posted by Zach
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Posted on 8/24/14 at 4:17 pm to
I have no idea what their genetics were. But I do know that B/W photography in those days did not show blond hair and blue eyes very well. My dad was a very light skinned blue eyed blond. Pics of him from 1930 show him with brown hair. He did not have brown hair.

I only inherited half of it since he married my Spanish Mom with black hair and dark skin.
Posted by Revelator
Member since Nov 2008
57835 posts
Posted on 8/24/14 at 4:22 pm to
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I have no idea what their genetics were. But I do know that B/W photography in those days did not show blond hair and blue eyes very well. My dad was a very light skinned blue eyed blond. Pics of him from 1930 show him with brown hair. He did not have brown hair.



Well Hitler must be wearing colored hair gel in that last photo if his hair is blonde!
Posted by Zach
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Posted on 8/24/14 at 4:27 pm to
Not talking about Hitler but photography of that era in general. I've never seen a single photo of any German in that era that showed blond hair. So, there were NO blonds in Germany?
Posted by Revelator
Member since Nov 2008
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Posted on 8/24/14 at 4:33 pm to

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I've never seen a single photo of any German in that era that showed blond hair.



?????





This post was edited on 8/24/14 at 4:41 pm
Posted by Zach
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Posted on 8/24/14 at 5:41 pm to
You just proved my point. Thanks.

a. the male at right is in bright sunlight.
b. the female at left looks like she has brown hair.


Pic 2:

a. the centered male has blond hair in bright sunlight.
b. the boys on right has brown hair. Boy on left hair is cut off.
Posted by Revelator
Member since Nov 2008
57835 posts
Posted on 8/24/14 at 6:27 pm to
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I've never seen a single photo of any German in that era that showed blond hair.



quote:

. the centered male has blond hair




Does not compute!
Posted by Porky
Member since Aug 2008
19102 posts
Posted on 8/24/14 at 6:59 pm to
The Nazis gave us some nifty ideas for some shady endeavors as well.
This post was edited on 8/24/14 at 7:29 pm
Posted by McLemore
Member since Dec 2003
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Posted on 8/24/14 at 7:26 pm to
some Nazi downvoted you.
Posted by roygu
Member since Jan 2004
11718 posts
Posted on 8/24/14 at 7:34 pm to
Was Hitler retarded?
What about Southern Whites would convince Hitler that they were a super race or headed toward super race status?
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