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re: Did Holder's "I'm a black man" comments arguably violate Ethics rules?

Posted on 8/24/14 at 3:32 pm to
Posted by Champagne
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Posted on 8/24/14 at 3:32 pm to
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(f) Except for statements which are necessary to inform the public of the nature and extent of the prosecutor’s action and which serve a legitimate law enforcement purpose, make extrajudicial comments which serve to heighten condemnation of the accused


This is the rule for prosecutors for those licensed to practice law in the Wash D.C. AG Eric Holder's defenders will tell us all that we should ignore this rule when we analyze Holder's racial statement. They say that technically, it doesn't apply because Holder is not a prosecutor. No, he technically is not, but, he supervises and manages prosecutors.

Common sense tells us all that Holder chose his words poorly and could have helped the situation without injecting race into his comments

I submit that a wise, thoughtful, careful AG with good judgment would have chosen different words. Holder was not at his best on that day. The fact that not a single Democrat will ever admit this is a good demonstration of the lengths that Democrats will go to defend their own, no matter what.

As another poster thankfully pointed out to us -- this little goof is not the worst that we've gotten from Holder. He will have to defend his license to practice law for other misdeeds.

But, we will find not the slightest criticism from the Democrats for anything that Holder does, because he is their ideological warrior that's what's most important to the Democrats who say: Notions of right and wrong be damned, as long as the Democrat side WINS.

This is not the right way for the US Attorney General to conduct himself. Holder is smart enough to do much better, and, I hope he does.
Posted by Champagne
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Posted on 8/24/14 at 3:39 pm to
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There's no doubt that the racial temperature in Ferguson dropped a few degrees after Holder arrived. The way I see it is that Holder was saying to the community, "I'm a brotha and I'm not going to sell you out." Maybe those folks needed to hear those words to calm down, and wait for the criminal justice system to play out.




He did a good and positive thing by visiting and meeting with the aggrieved members of the community. I take issue with the words that he chose, because he could have chosen race-neutral words that would have been just as effective.

Can you agree with me here?

This post was edited on 8/24/14 at 3:40 pm
Posted by trackfan
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Posted on 8/24/14 at 3:49 pm to
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Can you agree with me here?

I see your point, but I'm open-minded enough to be able understand an opinion without agreeing with it.
Posted by Champagne
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Posted on 8/24/14 at 4:03 pm to
No, of course you can't agree with even the slightest criticism of anything Obama or a key member of his administration says or does.

That's why Democrat political rule is dangerous -- Democrats will tolerate any manner of wrongs and misdeeds perpetrated by a fellow traveler in furtherance of the cause.
Posted by trackfan
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Posted on 8/24/14 at 4:15 pm to
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No, of course you can't agree with even the slightest criticism of anything Obama or a key member of his administration says or does.

That's why Democrat political rule is dangerous -- Democrats will tolerate any manner of wrongs and misdeeds perpetrated by a fellow traveler in furtherance of the cause.

Man, you've got some serious issues. It's not enough that I understand the rationale behind your opinion, if I don't agree to parrot your talking points wholeheartedly, you get your panties in a bunch.
Posted by Wolfhound45
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Posted on 8/24/14 at 4:18 pm to
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That's why Democrat political rule is dangerous -- Democrats will tolerate any manner of wrongs and misdeeds perpetrated by a fellow traveler in furtherance of the cause.


Well said.
Posted by real
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Posted on 8/24/14 at 4:31 pm to
I don't know if it is a violation, but it definitely could be taking as a fact that this Cop killed Brown because of his race. Like I said yesterday, this cop should ask to have Holder removed as far away from this case as can be. Matter of face I'd also look into having all the Feds removed. Holder has clearly made a statement that would make any honest man wonder if he will give this "white" man a blind investigation. There is a reason their is a blind fold on Lady Justice. And I find it to be so ironic that a race that fought so hard for that has become the very race that has now forgotten. Justice is blind, but not to Eric Holder. It's a sad time in American history and even sadder that young black kids will look at Obama as a hero when he has caused them so much future pain. It's a dam shame.
Posted by Champagne
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Posted on 8/24/14 at 5:26 pm to
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There is a reason their is a blind fold on Lady Justice. And I find it to be so ironic that a race that fought so hard for that has become the very race that has now forgotten. Justice is blind, but not to Eric Holder.


This is correct.

Any attorney whom has prosecuted even a few cases would see a problem with his Boss making a public statement like AG Holder's "I'm a black man" statement.

The Attorney General of the United States should conduct himself at all times in a manner which avoids ANY appearance of bias or impropriety.
The US electorate deserves no less.

Posted by mmcgrath
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Posted on 8/24/14 at 7:05 pm to
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Did Holder's "I'm a black man" comments arguably violate Ethics rules?
How could a black man identifying himself as a black man be a violation of anything?
Posted by Wolfhound45
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Posted on 8/24/14 at 7:09 pm to
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How could a black man identifying himself as a black man be a violation of anything?


Because we are all afforded justice under the law. Not just black men.
Posted by Champagne
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Posted on 8/24/14 at 8:35 pm to
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you get your panties in a bunch


I have some experience in prosecuting cases in federal courts.

AG Holder's comments will prove to be unhelpful to any potential prosecution of Wilson for federal civil rights violations.

Vegas Bengal has less experience in this area than my own, I'm confident, because I have years of experience in this area. I doubt VB has any experience in prosecuting criminal cases in federal court.

Posted by Champagne
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Posted on 8/24/14 at 11:42 pm to
Well, what about it, Vegas Bengal?

Don't disappear from the thread.
Posted by constant cough
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Posted on 8/24/14 at 11:46 pm to
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Did Holder's "I'm a black man" comments arguably violate Ethics rules?



Well he's already been held in Contempt of Congress so I don't think he cares. Apparently Congress doesn't either since he's still there.
Posted by Vegas Bengal
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Posted on 8/25/14 at 3:16 am to
My IV to this board isn't as strong as yours. It sometimes slips out of my vein.

Stop trying to manufacture outrage. It's doesn't suit you. Save it for Cpt. Bengal.
Posted by Wolfhound45
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Posted on 8/25/14 at 5:46 am to
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Stop trying to manufacture outrage. It's doesn't suit you.


It is not manufactured outrage when the senior law enforcement official in the country indicates he will administer law based upon race rather than a careful and unbiased examination of the facts.
Posted by TrueTiger
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Posted on 8/25/14 at 7:09 am to
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Yes

OK VB, perhaps they do
but only to the extent that a violation might screw up their political optics,
not out of any respect for the rules themselves.
Posted by McLemore
Member since Dec 2003
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Posted on 8/25/14 at 7:46 am to
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You think this administration gives one solitary frick about ethics rules?


don't go there, buddy.
Posted by McLemore
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Posted on 8/25/14 at 7:48 am to
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Did Holder's "I'm a black man" comments arguably violate Ethics rules?


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Why do you arguably add an unnecessary word to your sentence?

The AG heads the DOJ which has it's own ethics department and code.


why do you not know how to use contractions and possessive pronouns?
Posted by McLemore
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Posted on 8/25/14 at 7:50 am to
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How could a black man identifying himself as a black man be a violation of anything?


i assume you're just pretending to be literal-minded to try to prove a point.
Posted by Champagne
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Posted on 8/25/14 at 7:55 am to
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Stop trying to manufacture outrage. It's doesn't suit you.


I'm not outraged, nor am I trying to manufacture outrage.

I thank you for the research that you posted, because it was helpful. Holder is bound by his state bar rules of professional conduct. As the AG for the USA, I believe that he should be held to the highest standard of avoiding all appearance of impropriety, but, because he's a Democrat, your opinion naturally differs.

You have zero federal criminal convictions under your belt. What I submit is that somebody with more experience in that department might be better suited to render an opinion on whether Mr. Holder's comments were unethical, unwise, acting stupidly, and unhelpful to any future prosecution.

That's logical, isn't it, friend?
This post was edited on 8/25/14 at 8:03 am
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