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USF: The Program that Almost Was
Posted on 8/20/14 at 1:16 pm
Posted on 8/20/14 at 1:16 pm
Yeah it nearly sounds like a 30 for 30 topic but I figured this could be an interesting discussion. Has anyone ever seen a program climb out of obscurity, appear to be on the "cusp", and then completely collapse?
Jim Leavitt was their first ever coach in 1997. In his final 4 seasons he had 34 wins for the Bulls scoring wins against WVU, @UNC, NC St., @AU, and @FSU. If I recall correctly they were steady in the polls for a while and climbed up pretty high at times.
So Leavitt gets canned. I'm not sure how the USF fans felt about the Skip Holtz hire but I didn't think it was a bad hire considering Skip's resume. ECU had won 3 games in it's previous 2 seasons before Skip. By Skip's 3rd and 4th seasons (his last 2) ECU won 18 games and 2 CUSA titles. So it seemed to make sense to me that he could work with an "up and coming program"
In his first season Skip went 8-5, the same record of Leavitt's last season. However in Skip's last 2 seasons the Bulls went 5-7 and then sank down to 3-9 losing to teams like Ball St. and Temple. Skip was let go and their new coach, Willie Taggart, went 2-10 in his first season last year.
So what the hell happened? Did their recruiting really fall of that much because of Leavitt's departure?
As deep as the state of FL is has USF just been getting boxed out too much? UF is always talented, FSU has reemerged, UCF has won 10+ games in 3/4 seasons, nearby 'Bama and AU are rotating title game appearances, SC and Clemson have been top 10 programs the last 3 years and both love to get into that FL talent pool, etc.
Jim Leavitt was their first ever coach in 1997. In his final 4 seasons he had 34 wins for the Bulls scoring wins against WVU, @UNC, NC St., @AU, and @FSU. If I recall correctly they were steady in the polls for a while and climbed up pretty high at times.
So Leavitt gets canned. I'm not sure how the USF fans felt about the Skip Holtz hire but I didn't think it was a bad hire considering Skip's resume. ECU had won 3 games in it's previous 2 seasons before Skip. By Skip's 3rd and 4th seasons (his last 2) ECU won 18 games and 2 CUSA titles. So it seemed to make sense to me that he could work with an "up and coming program"
In his first season Skip went 8-5, the same record of Leavitt's last season. However in Skip's last 2 seasons the Bulls went 5-7 and then sank down to 3-9 losing to teams like Ball St. and Temple. Skip was let go and their new coach, Willie Taggart, went 2-10 in his first season last year.
So what the hell happened? Did their recruiting really fall of that much because of Leavitt's departure?
As deep as the state of FL is has USF just been getting boxed out too much? UF is always talented, FSU has reemerged, UCF has won 10+ games in 3/4 seasons, nearby 'Bama and AU are rotating title game appearances, SC and Clemson have been top 10 programs the last 3 years and both love to get into that FL talent pool, etc.
This post was edited on 8/20/14 at 1:17 pm
Posted on 8/20/14 at 1:19 pm to theGarnetWay
USF was #2 at one point in 2007.
Posted on 8/20/14 at 1:20 pm to theGarnetWay
I remember when they rose to number two in that crazy 07 season thinking they had the potential to catch lightning in a bottle like Miami and make the jump to a major program. They just kinda fell off the map relevance wise after they lost that year
Posted on 8/20/14 at 1:26 pm to theGarnetWay
dont forget about their big time win over kansas in 2008. i think im actually being serious
Posted on 8/20/14 at 2:02 pm to theGarnetWay
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Has anyone ever seen a program climb out of obscurity, appear to be on the "cusp", and then completely collapse?
Tulane. Arkansas. Kansas. Illinois twice in the last 15 years.
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So what the hell happened?
They had a good year, that really didn't end up being that good.
Posted on 8/20/14 at 2:17 pm to theGarnetWay
South Florida was ranked as high as #2 in the polls in the wacky 2007 football season.
Posted on 8/20/14 at 5:12 pm to theGarnetWay
Shouldn't have fired Leavitt.
Posted on 8/20/14 at 7:51 pm to theGarnetWay
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USF just been getting boxed out too much
Need to find the right coach. Also, USF gets some decent transfers.
Posted on 8/20/14 at 9:30 pm to theGarnetWay
FSU wasn't a big name at the time and they weren't getting big recruits and kids weren't committing to Coker and Miami. Florida was getting all the top recruits from the nation. That Florida left kids like Jason Pierre-Paul, George Selvie and Mike Jenkins with options like USF.
And Leavitt was a really good coach. I think he coached under Snyder who is a wizard!
And Leavitt was a really good coach. I think he coached under Snyder who is a wizard!
Posted on 8/20/14 at 10:58 pm to theGarnetWay
Look at what happened to their conference. They went from being in a Big 6 conference playing WVU, Syracuse, Pitt, Rutgers, Louisville etc to a joke of a conference. UCF also cut into their talent.
Posted on 8/20/14 at 11:44 pm to theGarnetWay
UCF took over Florida's second tier players. It is a legit program on the rise.
Posted on 8/21/14 at 6:07 am to theGarnetWay
Hell, Tennessee has been bad for a longer period of time.
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