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re: Evangelicals in Republican Party are feeling left out, see no standard-bearer
Posted on 8/19/14 at 4:21 pm to TK421
Posted on 8/19/14 at 4:21 pm to TK421
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but I fail to see any evidence that typical evangelical issues are at the root of the Republican party's national problems.
well then, you're not looking hard enough
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What libertarians are missing in all of this, I fear, is the fact that a Republican will not win the presidency without the evangelical vote. I can easily envision a situation where a hard core libertarian snags the nomination, evangelicals vote for someone else like Rick Santorum, and Warren becomes president.
suits me
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Posted on 8/19/14 at 4:25 pm to constant cough
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Can't you be for one and not for the other?
no, if you smoke weed, you will be sucking on a dick for a gram of dank bud in 2-3 weeks. You will be offering up your arse for bareback penetration within 6 months.
weed, not even once.
Posted on 8/19/14 at 4:26 pm to ChewyDante
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I am so pleased at the notion of having a potential Republican candidate whose platform is not predicated on pandering to evangelicals. They need to get over themselves and recognize that their religious ideals aren't the supreme tenets of the conservative movement.
Rand Paul fits that bill for the most part. Although, he's been using religious angles to pit the evangelicals against the establishment and get them in his corner just a little bit. With his broad appeal, he doesn't need a huge majority of them in a general election since he has access to voting groups that they typical republican doesn't have the luxury of sustaining a credible courtship with.
Posted on 8/19/14 at 4:36 pm to Sentrius
the evangelicals are a major problem that holds the right back from getting the independent voters.
Posted on 8/19/14 at 4:36 pm to heartbreakTiger
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the evangelicals are a major problem that holds the right back from getting the independent voters.
Mitt Romney won the independent vote. You think he would have done even better without the evangelical vote?
This post was edited on 8/19/14 at 4:37 pm
Posted on 8/19/14 at 4:39 pm to constant cough
Mitt had other issues like how shitty of a campaign he ran after taking obama to the wood shed in the first debate.
Posted on 8/19/14 at 4:44 pm to constant cough
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Mitt Romney won the independent vote. You think he would have done even better without the evangelical vote?
kerry won the independent vote in 2004. there is other things going on, as people get annoyed with parties and defect.
right now the republicans are 100% fricked without the evangelical vote. they wouldn't clip 35% without it.
Posted on 8/19/14 at 4:49 pm to Hawkeye95
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right now the republicans are 100% fricked without the evangelical vote. they wouldn't clip 35% without it.
Right, just like the Dems are fricked without the environmentalist vote, or the union vote, or the black vote,etc. Yet nobody is telling them they need to ditch those groups.
Posted on 8/19/14 at 4:52 pm to Sentrius
I've said for some time that evangelicals need republicans worse than republicans need evangelicals.
Posted on 8/19/14 at 4:54 pm to constant cough
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Right, just like the Dems are fricked without the environmentalist vote, or the union vote, or the black vote,etc. Yet nobody is telling them they need to ditch those groups.
the democrats are more of a broad coalition than the republicans. the only group that dominates democrats are woman, and they aren't a bloc.
Posted on 8/19/14 at 4:54 pm to Taxing Authority
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I've said for some time that evangelicals need republicans worse than republicans need evangelicals.
The republicans aren't winning with evangelicals you think they are gonna win without them?
Posted on 8/19/14 at 4:54 pm to Sentrius
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Rand Paul fits that bill for the most part.
That's who I'm hoping gets the nod. I'm skeptical that he'll win the nomination, but damn it, I'm hoping.
Posted on 8/19/14 at 4:56 pm to heartbreakTiger
quote:Are you' claiming that because evangelicals vote for a candidate, independents run away from that candidate because of it?
the evangelicals are a major problem that holds the right back from getting the independent voters.
That seems like some extreme bigotry by a wide group of "independents".
Posted on 8/19/14 at 4:57 pm to constant cough
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Mitt Romney won the independent vote. You think he would have done even better without the evangelical vote?
yup
Posted on 8/19/14 at 4:57 pm to constant cough
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The republicans aren't winning with evangelicals you think they are gonna win without them?
yup
Posted on 8/19/14 at 4:58 pm to constant cough
quote:Maybe? I mean the evangelicals can't even elect their guys in primaries. They just don't make up as powerful of a bloc as many would like us to believe.
The republicans aren't winning with evangelicals you think they are gonna win without them?
The "republicans are all religious zealots" is a carefully crafted caricature.
Posted on 8/19/14 at 4:58 pm to asurob1
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yup
Maybe I'm just bad at math but you're gonna have to explain to me how having less people voting for you is gonna help you win.
Posted on 8/19/14 at 5:00 pm to Taxing Authority
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Maybe? I mean the evangelicals can't even elect their guys in primaries. They just don't make up as powerful of a bloc as many would like us to believe.
Yet republicans can't win without their votes since they aren't even winning with them.
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The "republicans are all religious zealots" is a carefully crafted caricature.
Not really. Is about as carefully crafted as saying "democrats are all communist" which is actually closer to the truth.
Posted on 8/19/14 at 5:00 pm to TK421
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What portion of the democratic party is black? What is the consensus in that demographic with regards to gay marriage, for instance?
Furthermore, what percentage of the democratic party cared that Obama was against gay marriage and the legalization of drugs when he ran for president in 2008?
there are some, baptist black Dems,,, blue dog Dems, etc, but not that many left of the latter and when push comes to shove they nearly always cave and support toeing the party line.
This post was edited on 8/19/14 at 5:01 pm
Posted on 8/19/14 at 5:02 pm to Jagd Tiger
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when push comes to shove they nearly always cave and support toeing the party line.
all the blocs fall into line, at least in the last 20 years they have.
they may not show up as strongly but they eventually bow down to the inevitable.
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