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re: Reactions To Rand Paul's Op-ed
Posted on 8/17/14 at 10:30 am to Alahunter
Posted on 8/17/14 at 10:30 am to Alahunter
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Waco children say hi, as does Randy Weaver's wife and son.
22 yrs ago, isn't that recent.
Good points. Of course, those murders were perpetrated by the feds, not by local street cops.
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Posted on 8/17/14 at 10:34 am to Bestbank Tiger
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How do you explain the 65% of the black electorate who isn't poor and still votes D? It obviously isn't handouts because they don't benefit. It could be the perception that Republicans hate them.
This is a perception fostered by Democrats and an obliging largely liberal progressive MSM. Also, the issue is not just about blacks in poverty. Democrats champion affirmative action, women's rights/abortion, reparation and in general redistribution of wealth favored by most blacks regardless of income. Dems play a shrewd shell game/divide and conquer strategy by which they demonize big business publicly and champion civil rights, creating an us vs them mentality. Meanwhile Pubs are labeled as the champions of big business when in fact many big businesses contribute to Democrat candidates.
Obamacare is a prime example. On the surface Obamacare appears to be helping the needy who can't afford health insurance, when in reality it has helped businesses by forcing them to cut hours creating more part-time jobs or hiring more contractors which don't require benefits paid by said companies. In other words the Dems either inadvertently or covertly increased the profits of big business behind the scenes while publicly bashing them to gain support from their liberal base. There's a reason why the stock market has been booming under the Obama admin in spite of one of the lowest job participation rates in history and the U.S. having the highest corporate tax rate in the world.
Posted on 8/17/14 at 10:36 am to Alahunter
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Illegals, aren't citizens.
You're missing the point. If you can't produce documentation, you are deemed to be illegal, and the officer has no discretion in the matter. This is no different than an officer being able to demand that citizens provide proof, on-demand, that they aren't cooking meth at their house. But hey, if you aren't then you don't have anything to worry about, right?
Posted on 8/17/14 at 10:38 am to Jake88
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Which lead to the continued decrease in crime we've seen for the last 15 plus years or so.
again, that's not really the point, even though it's been proven that the War on Drugs hasn't reduced crime....
Posted on 8/17/14 at 10:42 am to Bestbank Tiger
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Way to completely miss RP's point. The issue with militarization of everyday policing isn't that the cops have bigger, badder guns. It's the fact that militarization creates a culture where the citizens are the enemy. Militaries exist for the purpose of killing people and breaking things. That's not what law enforcement is intended to do.
Nailed it.
Posted on 8/17/14 at 10:45 am to davesdawgs
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Obamacare is a prime example. On the surface Obamacare appears to be helping the needy who can't afford health insurance, when in reality it has helped businesses by forcing them to cut hours creating more part-time jobs or hiring more contractors which don't require benefits paid by said companies. In other words the Dems either inadvertently or covertly increased the profits of big business behind the scenes while publicly bashing them to gain support from their liberal base. There's a reason why the stock market has been booming under the Obama admin in spite of one of the lowest job participation rates in history and the U.S. having the highest corporate tax rate in the world.
I kige this, and it's a very effective strategy. Especially since most people are prone to confirmation bias, and the partisan stereotypes are that the D's are for the honest working stiff and the R's are for the moneychangers in the temple.
The same principle applies when a Republican makes a tone-deaf statement about race. The Democrats make sure it goes viral and say "See? They hate you!" Same goes for when an obscure state representative makes a blatantly racist remark. It confirms the "R's are out to get minorities" meme.
Posted on 8/17/14 at 10:50 am to Bestbank Tiger
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How do you explain the 65% of the black electorate who isn't poor and still votes D? It obviously isn't handouts because they don't benefit. It could be the perception that Republicans hate them.
The PB as a hive will reject this data. Tearing down blacks adds twisted value to their own existence.
Posted on 8/17/14 at 10:57 am to Alahunter
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White people are just finding out what black people have been trying to tell us for decades--there are a lot of people who have no business having a badge and gun. And the militarization is making the problem worse
Ummm..
Waco children say hi, as does Randy Weaver's wife and son.
22 yrs ago, isn't that recent.
Distrust of law enforcement isn't just a minority issue anymore. There's damn good reason.
The response on both sides to the shooting is pretty sick though.
-Certain people/groups assume the young man was inappropriately gunned down and the cops are trying to hide it. It's the same reaction whether guilty or innocent to almost every situation and people are sick of it, and it helps perpetuate negative stereotypes.
-Local PD knows in Ferguson knows nothing about PR and is their own worst enemy. Way to frick it up from the start.
Posted on 8/17/14 at 11:05 am to Lakeboy7
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The PB as a hive will reject this data. Tearing down blacks adds twisted value to their own existence.
Some of them, but I wouldn't say all of them.
Posted on 8/17/14 at 11:06 am to Lakeboy7
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The PB as a hive will reject this data. Tearing down blacks adds twisted value to their own existence.
Way to contribute to the discussion
Posted on 8/17/14 at 11:26 am to Strannix
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At the end of the day, regardless of issues on social stances ( see blacks voting overwhelmingly on prop 8 in California) blacks and Latinos will vote for handouts, that's just the way it is.
You're an intellectually lazy person if you've distilled the voting lines down to that.
Posted on 8/17/14 at 1:41 pm to trackfan
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Paul is correct to critique the militarization of local police in America. But that’s not a new phenomenon when it comes to black communities in America – it’s been the norm since the 1960s. And the demilitarization argument does nothing to challenge nor change the fact that “nearly two times a week in the United States, a white police officer killed a black person during a seven-year period ending in 2012”, according to FBI statistics. Two times a week. That’s everyday local policing, and has nothing to do with the militarization of local police forces, nor big government. The choke-hold that killed Eric Garner or the multiple gunshots that killed Michael Smith were not military-grade weapons. They were weapons used as the result of what Senator Paul believes in most strongly, when it comes to civil rights: “a lot of things can be handled locally”.
And this is where he gets it most wrong. Sen. Paul’s most mistaken premise is that “big government” is “at the heart of the problem”, presumably when it comes to the loss of black life at the hands of the police.
So much stupid.
If it's been a problem since the 60's, then militarization of police forces will only make the problem worse. That's his point.
If you reform drug laws and reduce the power of police, then minorities won't be targeted as often. You'll never completely get rid of it, but you can reduce the problem.
Posted on 8/17/14 at 3:19 pm to trackfan
trackfan.....the man asked you a question. 
Was it the fact that Ann Romney had a horse?
Was it the fact that Ann Romney had a horse?
This post was edited on 8/17/14 at 3:25 pm
Posted on 8/17/14 at 3:58 pm to Bestbank Tiger
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Way to completely miss RP's point. The issue with militarization of everyday policing isn't that the cops have bigger, badder guns. It's the fact that militarization creates a culture where the citizens are the enemy. Militaries exist for the purpose of killing people and breaking things. That's not what law enforcement is intended to do.
This.
As usual, MSNBC completely whiffs on a perfectly sane and logical point.
There's a reason why we have posse comitatus. But now we have to deal with a glaring loophole to this law that's happening via militarization of police. You want to do military style operations, drive your arse to a recruiting station and ship yourself to a shithole desert to do a tour, keep that shite away from our shores.
Posted on 8/17/14 at 4:47 pm to trackfan
Rand Paul did not have to take a poll or ask a political adviser what his position should be on the Ferguson controversy. He didn't reinvent his beliefs to get where he is at.
Contrary to what the Washington Post says it is not time to stop calling Rand Paul a tea partier. He represents the best hope for those of us that truly want a different, smaller government that is protective of the freedoms of ALL the citizens. There are a lot of people calling themselves tea partiers that should quit claiming to be tea partiers because they are not committed to small government and individual freedom for ALL citizens.
What I believe is happening is that Paul's message is resonating with a lot of people--democrats too. Who is against a message or peace, of less government, of freedom, of auditing the fed, or true free trade??
(One poster complained about Paul's stance on the Civil Rights Act---Paul was right. He has never voiced a single thing that was discriminatory or indicated he supported state sponsored discrimination. He simply said businesses should not have been have lost their freedom to do business how they saw fit. What's wrong with that? He is saying it is the role of government to protect the freedom of people and government should have absolutely ended institutional discrimination in government laws and administration throughout the nation. In that regard he agrees with the CRA.)
Contrary to what the Washington Post says it is not time to stop calling Rand Paul a tea partier. He represents the best hope for those of us that truly want a different, smaller government that is protective of the freedoms of ALL the citizens. There are a lot of people calling themselves tea partiers that should quit claiming to be tea partiers because they are not committed to small government and individual freedom for ALL citizens.
What I believe is happening is that Paul's message is resonating with a lot of people--democrats too. Who is against a message or peace, of less government, of freedom, of auditing the fed, or true free trade??
(One poster complained about Paul's stance on the Civil Rights Act---Paul was right. He has never voiced a single thing that was discriminatory or indicated he supported state sponsored discrimination. He simply said businesses should not have been have lost their freedom to do business how they saw fit. What's wrong with that? He is saying it is the role of government to protect the freedom of people and government should have absolutely ended institutional discrimination in government laws and administration throughout the nation. In that regard he agrees with the CRA.)
This post was edited on 8/17/14 at 4:50 pm
Posted on 8/18/14 at 8:06 am to I B Freeman
I like everything I've seen about Rand Paul. But he went too far when he stated that he would not have expected to be shot for mouthing off to a cop in his youth. It was a stupid, incendiary choice of words that were premature to known facts of the case.
If you take issue when Obama does it, shouldn't you also object when Paul does ?
If you take issue when Obama does it, shouldn't you also object when Paul does ?
Posted on 8/18/14 at 8:45 am to Willie Stroker
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I like everything I've seen about Rand Paul. But he went too far when he stated that he would not have expected to be shot for mouthing off to a cop in his youth. It was a stupid, incendiary choice of words that were premature to known facts of the case.
Take Michael Brown and Darren Wilson out of this because we don't know what happened between them at this point. Do you really believe that "mouthing off to a cop" justifies the use of lethal force?
Posted on 8/18/14 at 9:03 am to Strannix
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So which policy was it ?
Just watch some right wing news or listen to some talk radio. Its pretty easy to see why minorities feel they are hated by the republican party. Unless of course you are a member of the republican party and then you're like
Posted on 8/18/14 at 9:05 am to davesdawgs
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This is a perception fostered by Democrats and an obliging largely liberal progressive MSM.
bullshite. The "lib media" and dems don't have to do anything but sit back and let right wing media and their far right darlings talk.
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