re: Message for our American Jewish Friends.

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some people are not sophisticated enough that you can be socially liberal, economically liberal, and hawkish in defense and foreign policy.

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That sounds like a fricking nightmare.

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Obama is hostile to Bibi and his coalition, which is the most extreme and racist government in the history of Israel, but he's still very friendly to Israel. FYI, every administration, Democrat and Republican, has had problems getting along with Likud. If Obama treated Bibi like Reagan treated Begin, he'd be impeached.

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He is friendy because he has to be. There is too much pro-israel sentiment within the moderate part of his party.

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Also, I don't understand how you can say that Carter was hostile to Israel when he's responsible for securing an Egyptian-Israeli peace treaty, thus eliminating the biggest existential threat to Israel's existence.

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Post office politics.

Historically America is supposed to support democracies like Israel and stand up to terrorists like Hamas. America always said we don't negotiate with terrorists. is this a pipe dream from the past?

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we aren't supposed to support people who fire rockets into civilian centers purposely to kill civilians. NO matter how oppressed the people they claim to represent are. The blockade, the bombings are all brought on by Hamas.

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The Catholics in Northern Ireland engaged in terrorism and we supported their cause. The Blacks in South Africa engaged terrorism and we supported their cause. And let's not forget that we supported the creation of the state of Israel despite the fact that founding fathers of the state of Israel engaged in terrorism, and Israel has had three Prime Ministers (Begin, Shamir and Sharon) whose hands are drenched in blood. The Palestinians are no different, their cause is just despite the fact that some of their tactics are despicable.

Then based on what you said, the ISIS people fighting for a free (in their mids iraq) are OK. The people who crashed into the ETC downtown are OK because they saw their cause as just. Everybody thinks their cause is just. Fidel Castro thinks he was right. George Wallace thought he was right. When do we choose who we support? is it based on whom you pick and choose?

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When do we choose who we support?

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How about we don't and just make money off of whoever is around.

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Then based on what you said, the ISIS people fighting for a free (in their mids iraq) are OK. The people who crashed into the ETC downtown are OK because they saw their cause as just. Everybody thinks their cause is just. Fidel Castro thinks he was right. George Wallace thought he was right. When do we choose who we support? is it based on whom you pick and choose?

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You're missing my point. Of course everyone who resorts to terrorism thinks their cause is just, but what distingishes the Palestinians from ISIS and Al Qaeda, is that like the Catholics of Northen Ireland and the Blacks of South Africa, the U.S. government position is that their cause if just, while it doesn't believe that ISIS and Al Qaeda are figthing for a just cause. Can you not see the difference?

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Nobody is a s nutty as McCain but I think we needed to be stronger in Eastern Europe and with North Korea. That has absolutely nothing to do with Israel. Neither does standing up to Putin re Ukraine.

Did I pass the Trackfan litmus test?

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Seems like reasonable views to me.

Thanks Poodelbrain. These people don;t get it. Israel is here to say and all their racist or anti Semitism cannot change that. Sad

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One more time you can be economically and socially leftist and a war hawk.

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this board seems to have difficulty with people being individuals with actual agency to make their own decisions and have their own views.