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re: Ebola scare. should we ALL be worried?
Posted on 7/31/14 at 6:46 pm to Navytiger74
Posted on 7/31/14 at 6:46 pm to Navytiger74
quote:Well doctor, give us a dissertation on the epidemiology of aids, please.
I did a project on this in a medical ethics course in 2002. I also studied these diseases when I was deployed around Africa from late '10 to early '12.
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Posted on 7/31/14 at 6:46 pm to NC_Tigah
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From someone of your apparent intellect, that is an inexcusably imbecilic statement. Sorry, but it is.
Why? It's a serious disease, but there are absolutely no indications that it is a serious threat to any western nation at this time. If I worked for CDC or NIH or WHO I'd do my best to put the truth out there without causing a panic. Fact is, the authority on this matter (the WHO) is basically telling folks to pump the brakes. My heart goes out to the people affected by this, but there will not be an outbreak in the US. There will not be a single confirmed positive. What's the beef?
This post was edited on 7/31/14 at 7:00 pm
Posted on 7/31/14 at 6:47 pm to RCDfan1950
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Not to throw gas on the worry-fire...but I would less fear the casual tourist, than one of the ISIS fanatics who holds a US Passport. The virus has a 20 day incubation period; a martyr could book a trip...get a quick exposure from a live bodily-fluid virus before boarding, and stroll through NY spreading the cheer before the stuff really kicked in. A team of these sociopaths like in 9-11, could be a real problem; if there is a way to transport a viable virus.
That would be a terribly inefficient "attack".
Posted on 7/31/14 at 6:49 pm to Diamondawg
quote:This outbreak has a 60% fatality rate.
Ebola has a 90%
Posted on 7/31/14 at 6:49 pm to Navytiger74
quote:There is a history here FWIW. They used the same tack in the 1990's re: AIDs and heterosexual spread along with provider risk. They basically lied.
Fact is, the authority on this matter (the WHO) is basically telling folks to pump the brakes.
Posted on 7/31/14 at 6:51 pm to NC_Tigah
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Well doctor, give us a dissertation on the epidemiology of aids, please.
Funny, NC. What do you want to know? I don't know the origins of AIDS other than that it was first identified in primates in the early 1980s and traced to West and interior Africa. My barber down in south BR did once assure me that whites invented it to kill black people.
I do know pretty much everything about the disease as it is now (means of transmission, prognosis, prevention, etc.). You bang enough whores, you get curious.
Posted on 7/31/14 at 6:52 pm to NC_Tigah
yea leftgressive tards and doctors w/out borders won't be happy til the sh*ts here, they'll whine and piss and moan about "awareness", yea we know there's a bunch of that sh*t over there, and we don't want it over here, you tards.
Posted on 7/31/14 at 6:53 pm to NC_Tigah
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They used the same tack in the 1990's re: AIDs and heterosexual spread along with provider risk. They basically lied.
Please elaborate. They typically over-inflate a problem. HIV/AIDs is perhaps the most overblown "pandemic/epidemic" in modern history. Most people don't personally know anyone who's ever died of AIDs, but the vast majority of Americans put it on par with Cancer and Heart Disease. Their methods of assessing AIDs were based almost entirely upon modelling--not true diagnoses.
Posted on 7/31/14 at 6:54 pm to NC_Tigah
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W. They used the same tack in the 1990's re: AIDs and heterosexual spread along with provider risk. They basically lied.
here's a good paper from an epidemiologist using multiple analysis techniques and describing the future of the EBOLA outbreak...here are some conclusions:
quote:
Unfortunately, the most recent data had a fairly pronounced effect on the variability of these estimates. From early July through the data released on the 23rd, the models predicted a temporary continuation of epidemic activity followed by a decrease into the fall. While these predictions are still encompased by the observed variability, the situation on the ground is clearly evolving quickly. The current evidence is not inconsistent with the possibility that the disease will soon start the slow process of dying out, but our best predictions no longer place a high weight on such a possibility. The next few weeks are likely to be highly dynamic, and will hopefully narrow down the large space of probable epidemic patterns.
LINK
This post was edited on 7/31/14 at 6:55 pm
Posted on 7/31/14 at 7:04 pm to Navytiger74
You really are a know it all aren't you?
Sometimes you should remain silent and be thought a fool than to open your mouth and remove all doubt.
Sometimes you should remain silent and be thought a fool than to open your mouth and remove all doubt.
Posted on 7/31/14 at 7:07 pm to NbamaTiger90
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You really are a know it all aren't you? Sometimes you should remain silent and be thought a fool than to open your mouth and remove all doubt.
Yeah, I know facts. And I have personal experience. And that little quote (which I guess technically you should have cited) only works when you're right--and able to demonstrate as much.
Posted on 7/31/14 at 7:10 pm to Navytiger74
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Yeah, I know facts. And I have personal experience.
yet your facts contradict the scientific literature, summed in the MSDS sheet.
Odd, you would think that the sheet hospitals use as a general knowledge base for disease would have consulted you for your "facts", right?
Posted on 7/31/14 at 7:12 pm to LarrytheGolfer
quote:No.
Ebola scare. should we ALL be worried?
If it starts spreading stateside, then you should get worried.
Until then, nothing but a thang.
Posted on 7/31/14 at 7:14 pm to CptBengal
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yet your facts contradict the scientific literature, summed in the MSDS sheet.
No, Bengal. No they don't. There are many, many more bodies of medical literature that back me up. You have a computer, and I can only assume that you know a thing or two about using it when you aren't in your pissy mode. This isn't personal. If you or that little tool above you are really interested in learning about Ebola and the real prospects of a real "GLOBAL OMFG EPIDEMIC" , it's all out there. I'm not going to spend my evening condescending to you.
This post was edited on 7/31/14 at 7:16 pm
Posted on 7/31/14 at 7:18 pm to LarrytheGolfer
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Also the question has come up about transporting the bodies back here.
Got an e-mail today about how we are admitting a pt with ebola in the next coming days. Nerves are high around the hospital.
Posted on 7/31/14 at 7:18 pm to Navytiger74
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No, Bengal. No they don't.
Yes they do. i posted the link to the MSDS sheet. Sadly you didnt even read it. Even worse is they cite their sources in the primary literature.
It's sad to see you get so defensive when I'm trying to help you. I even provided you with the documents. you have provided nothing to support your points. Although I'm sure the report you did for that class was really well written, I doubt it compares to actual epidemiologists and virologists in the lab.
I'm sorry if that offends you.
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are really interested in learning
I was and am, which is why I keep posting links to research as i find it in this thread. You seem to be the only one with an aversion to learning. It's pretty sad actually, learning new information and following the research can be a lot of fun...instead you just choose to be
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condescending to you.
It's pretty pathetic btw.Posted on 7/31/14 at 7:19 pm to onmymedicalgrind
quote:No kidding? Where?
Got an e-mail today about how we are admitting a pt with ebola in the next coming days. Nerves are high around the hospital.
If you don't mind giving out that info.
Posted on 7/31/14 at 7:20 pm to onmymedicalgrind
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Nerves are high around the hospital.
I'll bet man. Maybe time to go on that vacation...
Posted on 7/31/14 at 7:20 pm to BestBanker
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Watching news now that says the 2 stricken physicians are being medivac-ed back to the US. Hope they survive and that they keep this virus contained.
Ok I guess this is who the e-mail is about. I wish them all the best of luck. And likewise for all the healthcare personnel involved in their care.
Posted on 7/31/14 at 7:23 pm to onmymedicalgrind
quote:No kidding. That ward is going to be a ghost town, at least it should be if the hospital admin is smart.
Ok I guess this is who the e-mail is about. I wish them all the best of luck. And likewise for all the healthcare personnel involved in their care.
I wouldn't have anyone but essential personnel anywhere near there. If the hospital could accommodate, I'd have the whole floor empty.
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