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Posted on 7/30/14 at 7:29 pm to JasonL79
Just curious, where do you figure these corporate boats are coming from?
Posted on 7/30/14 at 7:47 pm to TJG210
This figure is directly from NOAA Commercial Fisheries Landings website.
These results are from Louisiana from 1990-2012
These results are from Louisiana from 1990-2012
Posted on 7/30/14 at 7:54 pm to TJG210
Most of these corporate owned boats are based in Texas and Florida and its a thriving business buying up permits right now. Many of the ones you see look like individuals until you research the addresses where these boats are located. Different owner names but same address to draw attention away from the consolidation taking place. Then you do have some that don't hide it at all like Gulf Coast Fishing and Charters Inc out of Florida and Great Sage out of Texas.
Posted on 7/30/14 at 7:55 pm to PapaPogey
Didn't get that
Posted on 7/30/14 at 8:02 pm to KingRanch
Posted on 7/30/14 at 8:19 pm to ihometiger
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Search for addresses like 1902 Wharf Road.
Looks like a majority of Florida licenses. Also looks like a lot of charter boats also.
Posted on 7/30/14 at 8:21 pm to gaetti15
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These results are from Louisiana from 1990-2012
This chart can't be right. The pounds may be correct but they are getting around $4/lb for their red snapper so the dollar amounts seem to be off.
Posted on 7/30/14 at 8:23 pm to JasonL79
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This chart can't be right. The pounds may be correct but they are getting around $4/lb for their red snapper so the dollar amounts seem to be off.
That's what they have as the results in their query table builder.
But then again it is NOAA values so they probably are shite.
Although I will have to say the commercial landings data is wayyyyyy more accurate than their recreational landings estimates
Posted on 7/30/14 at 8:29 pm to JasonL79
What did you expect?
Posted on 7/30/14 at 8:34 pm to gaetti15
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Although I will have to say the commercial landings data is wayyyyyy more accurate than their recreational landings estimates
Yea the commercial landings data is tracked pretty good. I just know they got around $4-$4.50/lb for their fish.
Recreational estimates are a crappy way of coming up with landings for all species. I know it would be a pain for everyone but if we tracked and reported our catch it would be a lot more accurate. But getting everyone on board with this would be impossible.
Posted on 7/30/14 at 8:36 pm to TJG210
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What did you expect?
Wasn't sure what to expect. Most of the commercial permits used to be held by individuals and families with boats. Guess that all changed. I heard people were selling their permits for big money.
Posted on 7/30/14 at 8:38 pm to JasonL79
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I know it would be a pain for everyone but if we tracked and reported our catch it would be a lot more accurate. But getting everyone on board with this would be impossible.
This isn't the best way to go about estimating recreational landings.
You trust people too much
Way too many ways self-reported data can be biased (I deal with surveys like this for my job
)Posted on 7/30/14 at 8:47 pm to gaetti15
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This isn't the best way to go about estimating recreational landings. You trust people too much Way too many ways self-reported data can be biased (I deal with surveys like this for my job )
I realize all this. But do you really think guessing landings with formulas is accurate?
There is no way they can guess accurate the recreational landings for redfish, specks, red snapper, gulf fish, etc. In all of the years I've fished, I have never taken a survey on landings. How do they know how many times the average fisherman fishes every year and how often the catch their limit?
Posted on 7/30/14 at 8:54 pm to JasonL79
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There is no way they can guess accurate the recreational landings for redfish, specks, red snapper, gulf fish, etc. In all of the years I've fished, I have never taken a survey on landings. How do they know how many times the average fisherman fishes every year and how often the catch their limit?
Alright I will try to keep this as simple as possible.
First, you perform a dockside creel survey at randomized sites throughout the state at randomized times (AM/PM shifts). From this you calculate a harvest rate (# Fish/Angler Trip) from the fisherman you interview. You literally do hundreds upon thousands of these.
Next you perform a email/telephone survey. You randomly sample a messload of fisherman from different areas of the state. You ask where they go fishing, when they went fishing, etc...This part of the survey calculates effort (# Angler Trips).
Now in order to calculate landings you use this simple formula.
Total Landings = Harvest Rate * Effort
And yes I do think they are accurate, as long as you sample enough anglers. Like I said this stuff is basically my job
This post was edited on 7/30/14 at 8:56 pm
Posted on 7/31/14 at 6:24 am to gaetti15
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And yes I do think they are accurate, as long as you sample enough anglers.
Do you think this is happening?
Just asking because in my 25+ years of fishing I've never been surveyed on my harvest rate.
Actually I was stopped about 2 years ago about Red Snapper which I wasn't fishing for that day.
Now when we had our commercial dock we always had biologists on site surverying. Now if you don't report the correct information on your trip tickets, you can get in trouble. Especially with them matching up the fisherman's trip tickets with the dock's reportings. Had a person (dock owner) go to jail for it a few years ago for not reporting it correctly.
Posted on 7/31/14 at 6:49 am to TigerTatorTots
There should be no sector separation and when asked what the percentages should be if there was, vote to give private fisherman the largest possible. But in reality that makes me think that the separation is already locked down and the fight will be to get a larger percentage. I don't know how the season can be shorter 
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. Posted on 7/31/14 at 7:00 am to KG6
I just went on a rant in the comment box of this survey:
"Charter captains should not be given any Special Privileges just because they own a license. This hinders the recreational fisherman from using there own boat, which was purchased for this exact purpose, and instead have to pay someone to catch these fish. This would be like saying guides can shoot deer whenever they want, but the average Joe has to wait for the season. WHICH IS BULL...... . the decommissioning of oil rigs does more damage than the recreational population could ever do
there should only have a commercial season, open year around for recreational. these commercial boats can fish rain or shine, in what ever weather, and they will caught their quota.
"Charter captains should not be given any Special Privileges just because they own a license. This hinders the recreational fisherman from using there own boat, which was purchased for this exact purpose, and instead have to pay someone to catch these fish. This would be like saying guides can shoot deer whenever they want, but the average Joe has to wait for the season. WHICH IS BULL...... . the decommissioning of oil rigs does more damage than the recreational population could ever do
there should only have a commercial season, open year around for recreational. these commercial boats can fish rain or shine, in what ever weather, and they will caught their quota.
This post was edited on 7/31/14 at 7:14 am
Posted on 7/31/14 at 7:15 am to KG6
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. But in reality that makes me think that the separation is already locked down and the fight will be to get a larger percentage
I believe this too, Which pisses me off. This is actually the first i here of it....... Thanks for the heads up Dicks
Posted on 7/31/14 at 7:25 am to JasonL79
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Do you think this is happening? Just asking because in my 25+ years of fishing I've never been surveyed on my harvest rate.
considering that in your 25+ years of fishing the recreation surveys were performed by NOAA, no it is not surprising that you had not been survey, there survey collection methods suck.
That's why the state decided to develop the LA CREEL program, in order to counteract the federal government's disaster of a program.
Now if you worried about if they sample enough anglers or not, you need to dig up a statistics book and look for a section called random sampling, specifically the part of proportional probability sampling (pps).
This post was edited on 7/31/14 at 7:27 am
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