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re: time for another crusade
Posted on 7/30/14 at 8:52 am to dolamite
Posted on 7/30/14 at 8:52 am to dolamite
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Simply put, we cannot compromise with them because their "faith" does not allow it.
We should take the war to them. Wipe them off the face of the planet before they do it to us.
I'm assuming that if Hitler would have stuck muslims in ovens instead of Jews you'd think he was a great guy?
And "crusade" means one religious group attacking another. No one wanting to exterminate a whole group of people should ever be called a Christian.
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Posted on 7/30/14 at 8:59 am to Scruffy
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hat is based on the assumption that we would have multiple terrorist attacks yearly if we weren't bombing countries in the ME, a premise I completely disagree with.
I'm not advocating we demolish our intelligence capabilities or defensive measures, but I challenge any notion that our "safety" is tied to attacking countries in the ME.
The folks whom have expressed this opinion to me may object to my characterization of them as "Progressives", so, I'll remove that label and focus on their idea.
They would agree with your comments in these posts addressing the issue. Their idea is that the USA stops persecuting Muslims, stops killing Muslims . . . and the Muslims' desire to kill us will diminish to the point where we accept a tolerable number of our wives, daughters, etc. being blown into a pink mist of blood and bone fragments by high explosives detonated by Islamic Terrorists.
Seems reasonable?
Or are you saying that if we do these things, then ALL Muslim terror attempts to kill us will halt? That doesn't seem reasonable.
The only way to get the Muslim terrorists to stop wanting to kill us is to withdraw all US personnel , both civilian and military, from all Islamic countries and halt all US support of Israel. We may even need to declare that Israel has no right to exist to be safe.
That might do it.
This post was edited on 7/30/14 at 9:03 am
Posted on 7/30/14 at 9:00 am to dolamite
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time for another crusade
Posted on 7/30/14 at 9:02 am to GeauxxxTigers23
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because my phone auto corrects POTUS to POS.
You must type "Obama" quite often on your phone for it to realize they go hand in hand
Posted on 7/30/14 at 9:06 am to dolamite
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dolamite
Up vote
Posted on 7/30/14 at 9:07 am to dolamite
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Wipe them off the face of the planet before they do it to us.
I'm getting a good laugh out of this thread, but I have to ask you and the five or six folks who upvoted you, if we could pull this off with minimal fear of real consequences and actually possessed weapons capable of taking out entire countries full of people (without bathing world in radioactive fallout), would you be comfortable with America killing over 1B people? What about the Muslims who happen to be US citizens? Could you pull the trigger on them and their ankle biters?
Come on, man.
Posted on 7/30/14 at 9:09 am to 4LSU2
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The residents of Ouachita Parish wouldn't appreciate their Parish seat being bombed.
Posted on 7/30/14 at 9:12 am to dolamite
The problem with the last crusades is they didn't finish the job.
Posted on 7/30/14 at 9:14 am to Champagne
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They would agree with your comments in these posts addressing the issue. Their idea is that the USA stops persecuting Muslims, stops killing Muslims . . . and the Muslims' desire to kill us will diminish to the point where we accept a tolerable number of our wives, daughters, etc. being blown into a pink mist of blood and bone fragments by high explosives detonated by Islamic Terrorists.
Your argument starts off fine and then devolves into an insipid statement reflecting your opinions, which, after reading that, I highly doubt will change.
Thus, this entire discussion is futile and useless.
I have a question for you. Do you believe that fighting in Iraq, Afghanistan, etc., actually makes us safer as a country? If so, why?
Why were there no Islamic terrorist attacks against us prior to our involvement in the ME in the 1970s?
Would pulling out of those shitholes reduce the chances of attacks to zero? Of course not. That is impossible, but I will claim that the number of people who become terrorists in those countries would decrease dramatically.
Posted on 7/30/14 at 9:20 am to ruzil
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Seems like a good idea. Make the world a more peaceful place and eliminate overpopulation in one fell swoop.
A win-win.
All Muslims hate everybody who isn't one.
Read the Koran. It will send chills up your spine.
Posted on 7/30/14 at 9:21 am to Scruffy
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Thus, this entire discussion is futile and useless.
Don't conclude anything just because I used some highly emotionally charged language. I did that for the sake of later argument.
Is a certain level of US civilian casualties in our homeland acceptable to you?
If your answer is "yes", then, is not a logical consequence going to be the kind of graphic scene that I portray? If yes, then, is it logical to say that this graphic consequence is acceptable to you?
If you don't care to answer this line of questioning, that's OK.
You may have the right idea here. I have an open mind. Many smart military leaders have said that we cannot "kill them all."
Posted on 7/30/14 at 9:28 am to Champagne
quote:That is like asking if we can ever reach absolute zero.
Is a certain level of US civilian casualties in our homeland acceptable to you?
There is no such thing. Actually having zero deaths is an impossibility. There will always be casualties.
quote:To say that your goal is to have no casualties is an unrealistic position.
If your answer is "yes", then, is not a logical consequence going to be the kind of graphic scene that I portray? If yes, then, is it logical to say that this graphic consequence is acceptable to you?
If there are going to be casualties, I'd prefer they be as low as possible.
You can't kill all of them, no matter how much some people in this thread want to. That is an impossibility at the other end of the spectrum.
And if we can't kill them all and we still want to decrease casualties, why don't we decrease the number of reasons they may have for attacking us?
This post was edited on 7/30/14 at 9:29 am
Posted on 7/30/14 at 9:29 am to Navytiger74
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I'm getting a good laugh out of this thread, but I have to ask you and the five or six folks who upvoted you, if we could pull this off with minimal fear of real consequences and actually possessed weapons capable of taking out entire countries full of people (without bathing world in radioactive fallout), would you be comfortable with America killing over 1B people? What about the Muslims who happen to be US citizens? Could you pull the trigger on them and their ankle biters?
Come on, man.
I wonder who these people think this holy war army will be, I doubt they have the balls to join. Its going to be everyone who is already serving in western countries. Thanks but no thanks I enlisted to serve my country, not take part in a crusade to genocide people all b/c of some books.
Let Israel have their holy war with their neighbors and if people are so hell bent on killing Muslims join the IDF.
Posted on 7/30/14 at 9:29 am to Scruffy
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Would pulling out of those shitholes
You know, that might not be enough to garner the support of Islamic world.
Osama bin Laden's demand for the cessation of the Jihad were two-fold, one of which you agree:
First, withdraw all US military bases from all Islamic lands. Any US civilians there must strictly follow Sharia law either by being Muslim or paying the Dhimmi tax.
Second, the USA must immediately end all economic ties with Israel, end all economic support of Israel and end the US/Israeli alliance. The USA must halt all UN votes in support of Israel's anti-Muslim policies.
I agree with you and Osama bin Laden that, to the extent that the USA implemented one or both of these policies, we could logically anticipate some decline in the Jihadi desire to blow us up.
I do believe this: as time progresses and the Western resolve to fight continues to decline, more and more US/Westerners will come to agree with bin Laden's conditions for peace.
We can have peace with Islam. All we have to do is to submit to the demands of Osama bin Laden.
IMHO, a New Crusade is far less likely than Western submission to bin Laden's demands.
This post was edited on 7/30/14 at 9:33 am
Posted on 7/30/14 at 9:30 am to Kcrad
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All Muslims hate everybody who isn't one.
Thats so not true. Anyone who has lived around them will tell you that.
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Read the Koran. It will send chills up your spine.
No one takes any of these books from any religion word for word.
Posted on 7/30/14 at 9:39 am to Scruffy
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And if we can't kill them all and we still want to decrease casualties, why don't we decrease the number of reasons they may have for attacking us?
Osama bin Laden himself told us how to end this war against us immediately.
I applaud you for admitting that he his plan for the USA was right, all along. I admire that level of intellectual honesty.
I also admire your intellectual honesty in admitting that a certain number of our wives and daughters being blown into a pink mist of blood, flesh, teeth and bone fragments is acceptable to you. . . or at least you opine that there's no way to completely halt it.
I'm not sure about your statement that the USA never had an Islamic terror problem before we started messing about over there. I would not assume that, just because something may have been true 150 years ago, that same something would be true today.
I don't claim to have the answer. A New Crusade is not the answer. Some measure of Submission may or may not be the answer.
IMHO, as time progresses, my guess is that some form of submission will become a more popular view from the US/West.
History shows that, so long as our enemies are determined and persistent over the long haul, they will be successful.
This post was edited on 7/30/14 at 9:45 am
Posted on 7/30/14 at 9:56 am to Champagne
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History shows that, so long as our enemies are determined and persistent over the long haul, they will be successful.
For the extremist the crusade never ended b/c so many of them still live like its medieval times and want to impose that way of life on the people they rule over.
No Islamic Army will be able to march on a western country to multiple reasons.
Posted on 7/30/14 at 10:02 am to dolamite
How is a crusade any different than a jihad? Do we really need a jihad against jihadis?
Posted on 7/30/14 at 10:03 am to Turbeauxdog
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They would be tripping over themselves to be the first to provoke this kind of response and galvanize the entire Muslim world against the United States.
That's the point. Of try to galvanize the entire Muslim world against us then Muslim world ceased to exist. It's a carrot or stick approach.
Posted on 7/30/14 at 10:04 am to StraightCashHomey21
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No Islamic Army will be able to march on a western country to multiple reasons.
I have never read about or heard anybody ever suggest that an army of Islamic fighters may one day conduct an amphibious invasion of our shores, or otherwise march into the USA from north or south.
The OP's point may be this: USA, whether you decide to fight or not, you are going to be in a fight. We won't stop trying to kill you. You can either defend yourself or not. That's your choice. We will kill you whether you fight or try to surrender. You die fighting or die praying to your false god, but, you are going to die by my hand.
Perhaps the OP's point is that we should choose to die fighting, because, nothing we can do will cause our enemy to stop. The Terminator had to be stopped with brute force. Islamic extremists are like that.
OR, we could try meeting Osama bin Laden's demands and hope for peace.
This post was edited on 7/30/14 at 10:07 am
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