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re: Jindal's explanation of why he is against Common Core
Posted on 7/24/14 at 7:06 am to CollegeFBRules
Posted on 7/24/14 at 7:06 am to CollegeFBRules
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He was, which most defending him either are not aware of or willfully ignore.
Or they're just Jindal disciples, much like Obama disciples and Edwin Edwards disciples.
When Obama ignores the Legislative branch and tries to do what he wants merely through executive order, even the Jindalists jump up and decry the action, and rightfully so.
But now that Jindal completely ignored the legislative session and bills to delay or end CC, he proceeds with his own executive order to terminate the testing...it's all fine and dandy because "he's doing what he thinks is right".
Jindal is merely doing what he thinks will help him in the GOP Primary.
This post was edited on 7/24/14 at 7:12 am
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Posted on 7/24/14 at 7:29 am to shutterspeed
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Any set of standards proposed are likely going to be "one size fits all". Has nothing to do with the level of government from which they were created.
You really know nothing of whats going on. Stop posting until you really do. Not the front page stuff the lib's are telling to say. Really know what you are talking about.
Posted on 7/24/14 at 8:16 am to meansonny
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What does common core mean to you?
fedgov trying to gain more control over the states
Posted on 7/24/14 at 8:18 am to Traffic Circle
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I thought that Jindal was for Common Core?
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The simple fact is that proponents of Common Core weren't upfront about the level of federal government control involved once states accepted the one-size-fits all standards
Posted on 7/24/14 at 9:13 am to CollegeFBRules
CollegeFBRules:
This.
I could go into detail again about how this isn't a conspiracy of the federal government to take over schools; but I don't think people care about the truth.
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Bobby is talking out of both sides of his mouth, pulling a John Kerry because he is trying to shore up his conservative cred...which means nothing more than opposing Obama to win a nomination.
I like a good bit of what Bobby has done for this state, but on this, frick him.
This.
I could go into detail again about how this isn't a conspiracy of the federal government to take over schools; but I don't think people care about the truth.
Posted on 7/24/14 at 9:17 am to BigJim
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We shouldn't let a national consortium of federal bureaucrats dictate how Louisiana educates its children.
Because LA has such an outstanding track record in the past with this.
Posted on 7/24/14 at 9:21 am to Cajun Revolution
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Because LA has such an outstanding track record in the past with this.
and the fedgov has such a great track record of doing anything outstanding lately
im a little shocked at the amount of people on this board that are so willing to just hand over more control to the fedgov so easily
Posted on 7/24/14 at 9:26 am to Choctaw
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im a little shocked at the amount of people on this board that are so willing to just hand over more control to the fedgov so easily
I'm surprised at the amount of people on this board who are cheering Bobby Jindal for completely ignoring the Legislative process and separation of powers by issuing his own executive orders, all the while many of those same people would (rightfully) scream about Barack Obama doing the same exact thing.
Posted on 7/24/14 at 9:30 am to ragincajun03
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I'm surprised at the amount of people on this board who are cheering Bobby Jindal for completely ignoring the Legislative process and separation of powers by issuing his own executive orders, all the while many of those same people would (rightfully) scream about Barack Obama doing the same exact thing.
all Presidents issue EOs. its the quantity, rate, and reasons for which Obama does it that people complain about.
but whatever fits your narrative
This post was edited on 7/24/14 at 9:35 am
Posted on 7/24/14 at 11:36 am to Choctaw
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im a little shocked at the amount of people on this board that are so willing to just hand over more control to the fedgov so easily
I find it absurd. The education is better than the majority of private non-catholic schools. I know a school right now that is anti-common core. But appx. 1/4 of their students go to college and avg ACT is 19.
You can't tell me federal approved curriculum wouldn't improve upon that. I think, if anything, it would better prepare students for college than some of these state-based curriculums.
If anything, how arse backwards this State is, I'd want to limit their control over anything educational.
Posted on 7/24/14 at 11:57 am to Cajun Revolution
Yes, Bobby flip-flopped. Whether he did it for the reasons that he claims is up for the individual to determine. Bottom line, there are bigger problems in education than curriculum. Speaking for my school district, no students from grades K-3 are allowed to be retained unless the parent requests it. This is just backward thinking. What we end up with is a large percentage of 4th graders who don't have the basic math/reading skills to keep up. Consequently, they never catch up and are just bumped along, with many becoming behavior problems along the way. This further disrupts the educational opportunity of the students who are on level. Teachers are powerless to make anything better when the students/parents have zero accountability in the process.
Posted on 7/24/14 at 12:42 pm to BigJim
He's making moves for a national nomination that's never going to come.
It's just so pitiful really.
It's just so pitiful really.
Posted on 7/24/14 at 1:08 pm to OLDBEACHCOMBER
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You really know nothing of whats going on. Stop posting until you really do. Not the front page stuff the lib's are telling to say. Really know what you are talking about.
Posted on 7/24/14 at 4:18 pm to Choctaw
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and the fedgov has such a great track record of doing anything outstanding lately
It's not a federal initiative. It never was. It was spearheaded by the National Governor's Association and developed in conjunction with private business. You refuse to accept that point.
Race to the Top funds are federal incentives to speed adoption and implementation of the standards present in Common Core, it is not mandatory and the state's always retain, even today, the right to change the standards as they see fit.
But it is BESE's call to change the standards, not Bobby's. He knew that when he was gung-ho about Common Core back in 2012. He also fully was aware of the federal involvement in PARCC test development in 2010.
You guys hear Obama and feds attached to anything and run screaming like your children are being stolen. Bobby hears you scream and sees a way to take advantage of you, to the tune of millions of state tax dollars wasted. And you are supporting him in overreaching his executive authority, practicing egregious hypocrisy, because you slam Obama when he does the same thing.
Posted on 7/24/14 at 4:37 pm to CollegeFBRules
amen
Posted on 7/25/14 at 10:34 pm to Choctaw
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fedgov trying to gain more control over the states
You fail to realize that Common Core was developed by a coalition of governors.
When Obama puts his stamp of approval, that all of a sudden makes it a federal program despite the fact that it circumvents the DOE?
Posted on 7/25/14 at 10:37 pm to CollegeFBRules
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Education has been one size fits all since educators decided college was the only way to go for all kids in high school.
Common core is about career based education.
At least that is the direction that Georgia has taken over the past year.
The entire goal of education is to direct kids towards careers. That does not require college. It may push more kids towards a technical direction (the term career being the operative word).
Posted on 7/25/14 at 10:51 pm to OLDBEACHCOMBER
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Stop posting until you really do. Not the front page stuff the lib's are telling to say.
Most anti-Common Core rhetoric is outlandish and has begun from PAC efforts due to the loss of power by the DOE with the implementation of this direction in education.
I live in the most conservative county in Georgia (based on opposition votes against Obama during the last election). Opponents of Common Core are pumping up claims about schools teaching Islam and jihadist theory. They laugh at math principles and test questions.
These opponents fail to realize that they are spewing the talking points that PACs set in motion... all because of where the money flows towards (or in their cases... away from).
Common Core is taught by the same educators that have been in position for the past 20 years. There is no hidden agenda for Islam. Hard math problems and methods are there for a reason (because geniuses use these same methods in complex problem solving).
The goal is to teach kids to be unorthodox. To think outside of the box. To challenge themselves and their abilities.
I grew up with rote memorization. It worked for me. But the methods today are pushing beyond that. They are pushing for a more concrete understanding of math. And of understanding how the numbers affect and manipulate with one another.
The teachers who have been in place for the past 20 years believe that this curriculum is hard. But they also believe that challenging kids is the best way to achieve great results. My county and my district wants consistency, as well. Our standards change so often that they are often in a school year without their state issued target goals even being set, yet (that's like taking a test without being forewarned what you are studying for and what you need to achieve in order to pass).
Is there something better out there? Maybe.
But this curriculum has it's advantages.
And allowing a faculty to learn how to properly teach this several years in a row... who knows what could be achieved? If you push for greatness, you are more likely to achieve it.
Posted on 7/26/14 at 12:42 am to BigJim
CC supporters are simply clueless pawns
The governors nor the state educ chiefs had not one thing to do with the standards. Do you really think for one minute that Jindal or Paul Pastorek worked on one standard of the CC?
They turned it over to David Coleman. David is a former NYC school teacher. So was John White. As is Colemans group that put together CC with funds from GE, Gates Foundation and the Helmsley foundation. Does anyone reading this have faith that NYC public teachers are superior teachers? Do you have any question as to why White is so ardent is his support?
Coleman is now head of the SAT board. His sole purpose is to redesign the SAT to meet CC standards, so that even private schools will be forced to adopt them
In Colemans earliest writings he is fixated on two things. One, closing the achievement gap between minorities and whites. Two, to privatize all public schools
Through CC, he'd accomplish his first goal by decreasing the teaching of classical literature. He feels its racially biased. Thats why by senior year in HS the standards call for 70% of all reading to be informational texts. Thereby dumbing down the curriculum for those students that historically excelled in the classical curriculum. Translation: white students
His plan for part two is to produce failure. The standards are NOT developmentally appropriate. Just because you push what a student is supposed to know, down two grade levels, doesnt insure that it can be mastered. The authors them selves have admitted the tests have not been validated against reliability. There has been no control group. In fact, they do not hide that fact that it may take five or ten years to find out whether test scores go up or down, whether or not schools improve, and whether the kids now far behind are worse off than they are today.
How do we know his plan is to destroy faith in public schools? Well, here are the early results. Massachusetts state standards were superior and well tested but were ditched anyway and replaced with the Common Core, in order to qualify for race to the top. Former Texas state commissioner of education, Robert Scott, was told to adopt the Common Core standards before they were written. Texas passed. A school in the Mid-West piloted the Common Core assessments and the failure rate rocketed upwards. Staff said the exams were beyond the reach of many students. When Kentucky piloted the Common Core, proficiency rates dropped by 30 percent. The Chancellor of the New York Board of Regents has already warned that the state should expect a sharp drop in test scores. What is the purpose of raising the bar so high that more students fail?
We are a nation of guinea pigs, trying an unknown new program at the same time. Veteran teachers are leaving at an alarming rate. Schools, even good schools, even private schools, will start to 'fail'
Then, there will be only one solution left. Just like we now have with health insurance. Everybody is forced to come aboard. And the supremes have already said, you cannot opt out. Its a matter of national urgency. Just as education will be
Be afraid, be very afraid
The governors nor the state educ chiefs had not one thing to do with the standards. Do you really think for one minute that Jindal or Paul Pastorek worked on one standard of the CC?
They turned it over to David Coleman. David is a former NYC school teacher. So was John White. As is Colemans group that put together CC with funds from GE, Gates Foundation and the Helmsley foundation. Does anyone reading this have faith that NYC public teachers are superior teachers? Do you have any question as to why White is so ardent is his support?
Coleman is now head of the SAT board. His sole purpose is to redesign the SAT to meet CC standards, so that even private schools will be forced to adopt them
In Colemans earliest writings he is fixated on two things. One, closing the achievement gap between minorities and whites. Two, to privatize all public schools
Through CC, he'd accomplish his first goal by decreasing the teaching of classical literature. He feels its racially biased. Thats why by senior year in HS the standards call for 70% of all reading to be informational texts. Thereby dumbing down the curriculum for those students that historically excelled in the classical curriculum. Translation: white students
His plan for part two is to produce failure. The standards are NOT developmentally appropriate. Just because you push what a student is supposed to know, down two grade levels, doesnt insure that it can be mastered. The authors them selves have admitted the tests have not been validated against reliability. There has been no control group. In fact, they do not hide that fact that it may take five or ten years to find out whether test scores go up or down, whether or not schools improve, and whether the kids now far behind are worse off than they are today.
How do we know his plan is to destroy faith in public schools? Well, here are the early results. Massachusetts state standards were superior and well tested but were ditched anyway and replaced with the Common Core, in order to qualify for race to the top. Former Texas state commissioner of education, Robert Scott, was told to adopt the Common Core standards before they were written. Texas passed. A school in the Mid-West piloted the Common Core assessments and the failure rate rocketed upwards. Staff said the exams were beyond the reach of many students. When Kentucky piloted the Common Core, proficiency rates dropped by 30 percent. The Chancellor of the New York Board of Regents has already warned that the state should expect a sharp drop in test scores. What is the purpose of raising the bar so high that more students fail?
We are a nation of guinea pigs, trying an unknown new program at the same time. Veteran teachers are leaving at an alarming rate. Schools, even good schools, even private schools, will start to 'fail'
Then, there will be only one solution left. Just like we now have with health insurance. Everybody is forced to come aboard. And the supremes have already said, you cannot opt out. Its a matter of national urgency. Just as education will be
Be afraid, be very afraid
Posted on 7/26/14 at 10:19 am to EmperorGout
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He's making moves for a national nomination that's never going to come.
It's just so pitiful really.
Pathetic is what he is. He should move to DC and get a job at a think tank or with his brother at the big law firm that reps BP and lobbies for film tax credits.
He has accomplished exactly what he wanted to accomplish in this controversy. He can now say he fought common core.
It was just like his first year when he fought the Stelly reform tooth and nail until it passed. Then he signed it and took credit for the largest tax cut in history.
He is a phony political careerist. A social clod that thinks us all bumpkins he can manipulate with a few sound bites.
I don't think he could be elected in any statewide race again. He has alienated his republican backers and even though he has done huge, big government things he is afraid to look like a democrat so doesn't take credit for those things.
You will never hear him say "I passed the bill that funded the largest government-owned charity hospital in Louisiana history" which he did or "I gave away over a billion dollars of taxpayer money to media and their film making divisions." or "I massively increased the SCHIP program with federal money." or "I hired a big time Texas trial lawyer to represent the state on continguency against BP so all you trial lawyers should vote for me."
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