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re: CFB Playoff: Commitiee vs BCS rankings
Posted on 7/22/14 at 5:18 pm to Wishnitwas1998
Posted on 7/22/14 at 5:18 pm to Wishnitwas1998
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Posting to find out everyone's opinion on which way they would prefer the top 4 teams being determined.
The playoff system layered on top of the BCS rankings.
Top 4 in the BCS get in.
Posted on 7/22/14 at 5:43 pm to Cs
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The playoff system layered on top of the BCS rankings.
Top 4 in the BCS get in.
This I support. frick automatic bids (based on conference)
Posted on 7/22/14 at 5:44 pm to LukeSidewalker
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LSU should have jumped USC in 2003 but they didn't.
No they should not have. USC was best team and got screwed by a game of a game of an opponent.
Posted on 7/22/14 at 5:55 pm to sms151t
There was no reason for USC to be ranked ahead of LSU in the first place.
Posted on 7/22/14 at 6:19 pm to TK421
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Outside of taking the champion from each league and placing them in a playoff, there is no perfect system.
Terrible system. The Big East or whatever its called now have no business there. Until FSU last year, it'd been years since the ACC had a legit claim. There's routinely at least 2 SEC teams that are among the 4-5 best in the country. I'm willing to give the committee a shot, but they better hold their bias and conference champion thoughts at the door.
Best 4 teams get in, no matter who it is. For this reason, I don't see why they can't just use the BCS system...it was right most of the time and rarely were there 4+ teams with an argument.
This post was edited on 7/22/14 at 6:20 pm
Posted on 7/22/14 at 6:37 pm to Starchild
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Best 4 teams get in, no matter who it is. For this reason, I don't see why they can't just use the BCS system...it was right most of the time and rarely were there 4+ teams with an argument. This post was edited on 7/22 at 6:20 pm
+10000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000
Posted on 7/22/14 at 6:45 pm to LukeSidewalker
The hell?
They lost on the road LSU lost at home. Cal was better than Florida. SC went to Auburn and embarrassed them.
USC was the best team I don't see how you think LSU was better. Both human polls had SC 1. They fell from 3 to 10 after Cal loss.
USC also won the PAC 10 by full game. LSU tied for the division.
They lost on the road LSU lost at home. Cal was better than Florida. SC went to Auburn and embarrassed them.
USC was the best team I don't see how you think LSU was better. Both human polls had SC 1. They fell from 3 to 10 after Cal loss.
USC also won the PAC 10 by full game. LSU tied for the division.
Posted on 7/22/14 at 7:01 pm to Wishnitwas1998
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For example, let's say South Carolina has 1 loss and plays an undefeated Alabama in the SECG and South Carolina wins
Or worse, say Carolina and Bama are both undefeated before the cc game. Your reward for playing the #1 team in the country? Missing out on the playoff.
Or a 2011 scenario, where Bama gets in by virtue of getting to sit out that weekend.
Posted on 7/22/14 at 7:24 pm to Wishnitwas1998
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the BCS did a very good job of determining the top 4 teams.
There have been a pretty fair number of upsets in the top four to feel confident about that opinion. The committee does have the risk of being less than transparent and subjective rather than about who deserves a shot for a championship... to fix that all the committee has to do is spell out their criteria.
A tournament of conference champions with the lesser possibility of an at large who didn't win their conference making it when the conference champs had too many more losses and fewer quality wins seems a reasonable set of standards to reveal to me.
Posted on 7/22/14 at 8:13 pm to sms151t
We got off topic. It doesn't matter who should be champs in 2003 the point is LSU did not jump USC.
You said a #6 team would jump #3 in a playoff scenario if #3 got left out but won a big bowl. I provided an example of 2003 USC staying ahead of 2003 LSU. You at least seem to agree they should have.
EDIT. It was another dude. My bad.
You said a #6 team would jump #3 in a playoff scenario if #3 got left out but won a big bowl. I provided an example of 2003 USC staying ahead of 2003 LSU. You at least seem to agree they should have.
EDIT. It was another dude. My bad.
This post was edited on 7/22/14 at 8:29 pm
Posted on 7/22/14 at 8:17 pm to LukeSidewalker
I never said anything about that, someone else did.
All I have said was taking the 5 power champs, Indy, WC, and top non power champ
That way committee picks 3 and if you screw up somewhere you got a chance. But that's 8 not 4. I trust committee will do a great job.
All I have said was taking the 5 power champs, Indy, WC, and top non power champ
That way committee picks 3 and if you screw up somewhere you got a chance. But that's 8 not 4. I trust committee will do a great job.
This post was edited on 7/22/14 at 8:22 pm
Posted on 7/22/14 at 8:46 pm to sms151t
A committee will likely do a good job for 4 or even 8 teams. It still going to be complicated.
We can debate the top 2 or 3 teams all day but I'm not looking forward to the 4/5 or 8/9 argument. Even with a wildcard there are potential problems.
In 2012 a 5 loss Wisconsin gets in with undefeated Notre Dame as the Indy. Florida and Oregon were both 11-1 and would need a wildcard and these were the 3rd and 4th ranked teams overall.
We can debate the top 2 or 3 teams all day but I'm not looking forward to the 4/5 or 8/9 argument. Even with a wildcard there are potential problems.
In 2012 a 5 loss Wisconsin gets in with undefeated Notre Dame as the Indy. Florida and Oregon were both 11-1 and would need a wildcard and these were the 3rd and 4th ranked teams overall.
Posted on 7/22/14 at 9:06 pm to LukeSidewalker
Norte Dame deserved in, they played 4 games where everyone said they would lose
OU
Miami
Stanford
Michigan
If you don't win conference you better hope. You're finding a NC not the best team. I know that sounds strange. But the best team isn't the NC always.
Someone will complain no matter what, there's no perfect system.
OU
Miami
Stanford
Michigan
If you don't win conference you better hope. You're finding a NC not the best team. I know that sounds strange. But the best team isn't the NC always.
Someone will complain no matter what, there's no perfect system.
This post was edited on 7/22/14 at 9:08 pm
Posted on 7/22/14 at 9:22 pm to sms151t
I know Notre Dame deserved in. They took the Indy spot you mentioned in your 8 team playoff. They were also ranked #1.
After 5 auto bids plus Independent ND there are only 2 spots left and Florida and Oregon are still on the table but Northern Illinois was still undefeated at the time before the Orange Bowl against FSU.
I agree there will always be bickering but any new system may not be better than taking the top 2 teams. I think 4 is ok and if they eventually go to 8 they TRY to take the best 8.
The idea of an 8-5 team winning it all isn't exactly great for the sport.
After 5 auto bids plus Independent ND there are only 2 spots left and Florida and Oregon are still on the table but Northern Illinois was still undefeated at the time before the Orange Bowl against FSU.
I agree there will always be bickering but any new system may not be better than taking the top 2 teams. I think 4 is ok and if they eventually go to 8 they TRY to take the best 8.
The idea of an 8-5 team winning it all isn't exactly great for the sport.
Posted on 7/22/14 at 9:30 pm to LukeSidewalker
I guess it would've looked like this...using the plan I mentioned and taking the AAC out
Alabama SEC
Notre Dame Indy
K State Big XII
Stanford PAC 12
Wisconsin B1G
Florida St ACC
Louisville Non power
Wild Card between Oregon and Florida
I think that was a solid field. Florida and Oregon have to hope because of losing in reg season or ccg. Committee has to pick ND Louisville and WC.
Again there are flaws in my plan, but it's an idea that has some merit and rewards winning.
Alabama SEC
Notre Dame Indy
K State Big XII
Stanford PAC 12
Wisconsin B1G
Florida St ACC
Louisville Non power
Wild Card between Oregon and Florida
I think that was a solid field. Florida and Oregon have to hope because of losing in reg season or ccg. Committee has to pick ND Louisville and WC.
Again there are flaws in my plan, but it's an idea that has some merit and rewards winning.
This post was edited on 7/22/14 at 9:37 pm
Posted on 7/23/14 at 1:07 am to sms151t
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Norte Dame deserved in, they played 4 games where everyone said they would lose
OU
Miami
Stanford
Michigan
If you don't win conference you better hope. You're finding a NC not the best team. I know that sounds strange. But the best team isn't the NC always.
Someone will complain no matter what, there's no perfect system.
Miami and Michigan both kinda sucked that year.
Posted on 7/23/14 at 2:06 am to sms151t
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Cal was better than Florida.
no they weren't. Cal was terrible early in the year when the beat USC. 2003 Florida played one of the hardest schedules in the last couple decades. Every team they lost to was legit.
USC on the other hand played an absolute joke of a schedule that year. They beat literally zero teams in the regular season that finished the year ranked. They had the worst loss of the three teams in contention (OU and LSU being the other two). And they still were gifted a share of a championship in spite of a real lack of credentials.
They were Boise State but they had a fanbase and a massive amount of media support so their lack of quality wins and bad loss were overlooked because they are a bigger name school than LSU.
Posted on 7/23/14 at 2:26 am to genro
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Bye bye greatest regular season in sports.
No. You still have to try to win as many games as possible to win your division/conference.
Teams can't afford any more than one loss, and that one loss could haunt them in the division race or if they don't have a great non-conference schedule if they have to rely on an at-large bid.
Teams have major incentive to schedule marquee non-conference games. They need big games to make it in as an at large team if they are not a conference champion. And if they lose, they can still get to the playoff by winning their conference. By not having big non conference games, you can only get to the playoff by winning your conference and going undefeated. No hope as an at large
Posted on 7/23/14 at 3:11 am to QuackAttack716
yeah, the committee's verbiage does not indicate they are going to let in weak candidates into a four team playoff. Even a team like say 2001 LSU probably doesn't make a four team playoff field - keep in mind that was a team that finished 11-3 (5-3 in SEC play).
overall i think placing a lot of value on winning your conference does more to raise or maintain the value of the regular season anyway. what would degrade the value of the regular season would be regularly giving name teams (e.g. ND, USC, Alabama, OU, FSU) at large bids while other lesser name teams who won their conference and had better credentials were left out.
overall i think placing a lot of value on winning your conference does more to raise or maintain the value of the regular season anyway. what would degrade the value of the regular season would be regularly giving name teams (e.g. ND, USC, Alabama, OU, FSU) at large bids while other lesser name teams who won their conference and had better credentials were left out.
Posted on 7/23/14 at 3:26 am to molsusports
If it is only conference champions then what's the incentive to schedule any team outside of the power conference in OOC games?
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