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re: Andre Ellington
Posted on 7/21/14 at 9:39 pm to boom roasted
Posted on 7/21/14 at 9:39 pm to boom roasted
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Different kinds of back.
Not saying that, just saying he's not necessarily as small as people make him out to be.
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Posted on 7/21/14 at 9:39 pm to Gtothemoney
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Or Wat as I like him better than Ellington wat?
This.
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Woodhead had a better year than Ellington last year.
So what? A lot has changed since last year. Ellington is now the lead back. Even if he's not the bell cow, he's still going to see a significant increase in touches. Woodhead on the other hand is totally dependent on Matthews going down with injury. He also lost Wisenthunt as an OC and the Chargers brought in Donald Brown. I don't see any way Woodhead matches his numbers last year, and I think Ellington increases his by a good amount.
Posted on 7/21/14 at 9:40 pm to 21JumpStreet
quote:1 inch shorter and 7 lbs heavier is essentially 12-14lbs heavier (5-7lbs per inch correlating to center of gravity).
But 7 lbs, come on is that a terrible comparison. Saying a guy 199 will die and someone who is 7 pounds heavier was a workhorse back.
12lbs of muscle is quite a lot
ETA: Add in the fact that Ellington hasn't had more than 240 touches in a season going back to college. Ray Rice (the one we are comparing now) had one season over 330 touches and another over 400 while in college. He was used to being a workhorse
This post was edited on 7/21/14 at 9:45 pm
Posted on 7/21/14 at 9:43 pm to tzimme4
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No way this guy goes that early.
Ok...YOU may not want him that early but his current ADP is 30, or mid-end of the 3rd in a 12 team league. Baring injury, Im almost certain that number is only going to rise as mid-August rolls around. So yes, Ellington comes with a 2nd/3rd round price tag.
This post was edited on 7/21/14 at 9:46 pm
Posted on 7/21/14 at 9:43 pm to TigerTatorTots
Matt Forte 6'2 218. Demarco Murray 6'0 217. So based on your center of gravity correlation. Would Ellington be considered heavier than both?
Posted on 7/21/14 at 9:44 pm to TigerTatorTots
Even Bruce Arians said last season Ellington wasn't big enough to be a lead back in their offense.
But now he's claiming Ellington will get 10 catches a game 25-30 touches. I find this all talk until I see it.
But now he's claiming Ellington will get 10 catches a game 25-30 touches. I find this all talk until I see it.
Posted on 7/21/14 at 9:44 pm to PurpleDrank18
I'm seeing ADP of 48 on ESPN.
Posted on 7/21/14 at 9:45 pm to 21JumpStreet
ETA: Add in the fact that Ellington hasn't had more than 240 touches in a season going back to college. Ray Rice (the one we are comparing now) had one season over 330 touches and another over 400 while in college. He was used to being a workhorse
Posted on 7/21/14 at 9:46 pm to TigerTatorTots
I'm not saying any of that. Im just saying he's by no means as small as people keep saying.
This post was edited on 7/21/14 at 9:50 pm
Posted on 7/21/14 at 9:47 pm to boom roasted
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I'm seeing ADP of 48 on ESPN.
FantasyPros.com = 32 ; RB15
FantasyFootballCalculator.com = 27 (PPR) ; RB13
Both of those are way more reliable than JUST ESPN.
This post was edited on 7/21/14 at 9:51 pm
Posted on 7/21/14 at 9:49 pm to PurpleDrank18
To each his own, I guess.
My opinion, Ellington is a 2nd year guy who hasn't proven shite. Also in an Arizona offense which finish 23rd in rushing. Just because he's labeled as the #1 back, doesn't mean anything.
I was asked about value. To me I'd rather Woodhead at 42.
My opinion, Ellington is a 2nd year guy who hasn't proven shite. Also in an Arizona offense which finish 23rd in rushing. Just because he's labeled as the #1 back, doesn't mean anything.
I was asked about value. To me I'd rather Woodhead at 42.
Posted on 7/21/14 at 9:50 pm to 21JumpStreet
This is his huge game against Atlanta compared to the rest of the season. 35 rushing yards per game and 8.76 points isn't worth it IMO. A poor man's Gio Bernard.
This post was edited on 7/21/14 at 9:53 pm
Posted on 7/21/14 at 9:50 pm to PurpleDrank18
Honest question, how are those more reliable?
Posted on 7/21/14 at 9:54 pm to boom roasted
because they take consensus picks and rankings from most major FF sites. ESPN can be skewed because you have some people who don't know too, too much about FF so they go off of the rankings ESPN provides you in the draft client. So if ESPN has a player ranked lower than most sites, the ADP for that player on most ESPN mocks will be lower than normal. Hence the 48 ADP on ESPN and 30-ish on the other two sites.
Posted on 7/21/14 at 9:57 pm to PurpleDrank18
10-4
Yeah I'm seeing 34 on a site I trust. I think late third is fair. Not second.
Yeah I'm seeing 34 on a site I trust. I think late third is fair. Not second.
Posted on 7/21/14 at 10:00 pm to boom roasted
Yeah I agree. Depending on the players I already had I could see myself taking him in the mid-late 3rd, POSSIBLY. What I was saying tho, is if he has a good first few preseason games and camp, his stock is only going to increase, possibly propelling him into the late second.
Posted on 7/21/14 at 10:03 pm to PurpleDrank18
Somebody start another thread about another player.
My fantasy baseball team sucks.
My fantasy baseball team sucks.
Posted on 7/22/14 at 8:55 am to PurpleDrank18
I am biased. I have him in a keeper league. Most of the comparisons of him are fairly accurate as far as which players he compares to, but everything I have seen and read about him makes me think of slightly slower Chris Johnson. Good vision and pass catching ability will make him valuable. He will have carries of 4, 2, 1, and break off a 60yd TD, or catch a long TD. Explosiveness will keep him relevant, IMO.
Posted on 7/22/14 at 9:19 am to tzimme4
The thought process is that he averaged 5.5 yards per carry last year. He also was very good in the passing game where he averaged almost 10 yards a catch. He was only on the field for 40% of the snaps last year and only received under 30% of the carries.
Without Mendenhall, you expect those numbers to grow, potentially by a large margin. He was a top 5 running back in points per touch last year.
The knocks on him are that he is not a workhorse back. He won't be getting 25+ carries a game and if he did, there would be diminishing returns. He also won't be getting the GL work and Arizona's OL isn't amazing by any means (but it didn't hurt him too much last year).
Could he be a one year wonder? Possibly. But he has potential and that's clearly what you're paying for.
Without Mendenhall, you expect those numbers to grow, potentially by a large margin. He was a top 5 running back in points per touch last year.
The knocks on him are that he is not a workhorse back. He won't be getting 25+ carries a game and if he did, there would be diminishing returns. He also won't be getting the GL work and Arizona's OL isn't amazing by any means (but it didn't hurt him too much last year).
Could he be a one year wonder? Possibly. But he has potential and that's clearly what you're paying for.
Posted on 7/22/14 at 12:39 pm to Gtothemoney
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Also in an Arizona offense which finish 23rd in rushing
I hope I don't get stuck with Ellington and I doubt I'd take him in the third round. Must be that dry heat in Phoenix that sucks the run out of every RB with the misfortune to land there.
I can't recall the ADP list from the post above, but there were more than a few choices below 17 that I like better than Ellington.
This post was edited on 7/22/14 at 12:39 pm
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