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re: The Official Comic Book Villain Tournament (Round I)Vote Off Needed (Page 6)
Posted on 7/18/14 at 12:53 pm to BlacknGold
Posted on 7/18/14 at 12:53 pm to BlacknGold
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is Loki even using "magic?" i cant keep up with marvels explanations of the norse gods. are they just super advanced or is it magic? if its not true magic and is just appears as magic due to their advancement then amazo should be able to access that.
Movies = Science
Comics = Magic
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Posted on 7/18/14 at 12:54 pm to Bamatab
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Black Adam would have to figure out a way to kill Doomsday in a way that Doomsday hasn't been killed or stopped with in the past. Yeah Superman has beat him, but Black Adam can't kill him in that same manner now. So I just think that Doomsday would kill or incapacitate Black Adam before Black Adam could figure out a way to kill him since Black Adam knows nothing about him or how he has been defeated in the past.
Was coming to post a variation of this for Doomsday. I'm fairly confident he could win. It's a close matchup those, probably a toss up.
Posted on 7/18/14 at 1:00 pm to Freauxzen
I think that Doomsday has evolved to a point now where I don't think Black Adam would stand much of a chance. If we were talking about a Doomsday has he was in his first fight against Superman, then yeah Black Adam can take him. But now it would be hard for the whole Justice League to take him down, much less Shazam by himself (and thus Black Adam by himself).
And as for Amazo and magic, if he could copy Zatanna's abilities, I'm confident that he could copy Loki's.
And as for Amazo and magic, if he could copy Zatanna's abilities, I'm confident that he could copy Loki's.
This post was edited on 7/18/14 at 1:01 pm
Posted on 7/18/14 at 1:00 pm to BlacknGold
Loki is the God of Trickery, if anyone is going to confuse Amazo it is Loki.
*Also is Loki even classified as a metahuman?
*Also is Loki even classified as a metahuman?
Posted on 7/18/14 at 1:03 pm to Smokedawg
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*Also is Loki even classified as a metahuman?
Metahuman is just DC's way of explaining super powers. I mean, Superman is considered a "metahuman", but his abilities are really a result of being an alien, and Amazo has copied his abilities.
Posted on 7/18/14 at 1:05 pm to Bamatab
im not super familiar with comic book Loki. anyone want to defend why he would beat amazo? if not, i think i have to go with team amazo on this.
Posted on 7/18/14 at 1:07 pm to Smokedawg
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Loki is the God of Trickery, if anyone is going to confuse Amazo it is Loki.
This. He's a robot, thinks linearly. Loki does more with less than pretty much anyone else, and that's because of his creativity. He is a threat to TEAMS of foes, think about that. There are people in this tournament who will smash Loki, Amazo is not one.
This post was edited on 7/18/14 at 1:10 pm
Posted on 7/18/14 at 1:09 pm to Freauxzen
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He is a threat to TEAMS of foes, think about that
you mean like Amazo is to the justice league?
Posted on 7/18/14 at 1:12 pm to Freauxzen
Also Loki's greatest foe Thor, just one the Hero bracket we had.
This post was edited on 7/18/14 at 1:13 pm
Posted on 7/18/14 at 1:13 pm to BlacknGold
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you mean like Amazo is to the justice league?
Multiple teams.
And Comic Vine says:
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The New 52
Amazo is seen defeated and badly beaten by the Justice League in issue 8.
Not much of a threat in recent victories.
Logically, a character like Amazo is going to have more success against foes he continually fights, like the Justice League. You throw a completely new foe at him that lives and breathes magic, and there's just no contest. And there's no indication in the COmic vine bio that he copies Magic users. Any information otherwise would be helpful.
Posted on 7/18/14 at 1:15 pm to Freauxzen
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Logically, a character like Amazo is going to have more success against foes he continually fights, like the Justice League. You throw a completely new foe at him that lives and breathes magic, and there's just no contest
Well this is my assertion.
First time fighting/seeing each other. No way Amazo can hand. I'm sure Loki could incapacitate him in some way.
Multiple fights, then that would go to Amazo, but one shot deal I'd have to say that favors Loki.
Any thoughts on Freeze and Venom.
I say, one shot from Freeze incapacitates him, and Freeze moves on!
Posted on 7/18/14 at 1:16 pm to Freauxzen
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This. He's a robot, thinks linearly. Loki does more with less than pretty much anyone else, and that's because of his creativity. He is a threat to TEAMS of foes, think about that. There are people in this tournament who will smash Loki, Amazo is not one.
The linear thinking is what I think would help Amazo see through Loki's tricks. He won't get distracted like a human would. He could process his environment a lot more easily, especially with super senses that he has collected over the years.
How does Loki kill/incapacitate Amazo before Amazo can adapt to him if Loki is able to fool him temporarily? He has the powers of the entire Justice League at this point. including Superman's strength and durability, Flash's speed, Martian Manhunter's phasing abilities, and every other Justice league member he has come in contact with. I just don't see how Loki kills Amazo.
Posted on 7/18/14 at 1:17 pm to Freauxzen
Oh and people think Loki creates illusions and that's the extent of his powers. 
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Further more Loki is capable of surviving extreme injuries such as decapitation and dismemberment.
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Through magic is he able to achieve a myriad of effects and powers such as supersonic flight, dimensional teleportation, intangibility and invisibility, energy blasts, energy manipulation, illusion casting and forcefield generation.
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he has physically fought Thor to a standstill, as well as harmed The Silver Surfer with his punches. As well as being superhumanly strong, he is capable of surviving enormous amounts of physical punishment. This includes but is not limited to, being hit by Thor, The Hulk, Silver Surfer, The Destroyer Armour and Spider-man.
Posted on 7/18/14 at 1:17 pm to Bamatab
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The linear thinking is what I think would help Amazo see through Loki's tricks. He won't get distracted like a human would.
Fair point!
Posted on 7/18/14 at 1:19 pm to Freauxzen
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And there's no indication in the COmic vine bio that he copies Magic users. Any information otherwise would be helpful.
I'm at work, so I'll have to look it up later. But he has fought the Justice League when Zatanna was a part of the team. And if I remember correctly, he gained her power just like he did everyone else's. His power is to copy the abilities of others. Now where have I seen that limits which abilities he can copy.
Posted on 7/18/14 at 1:19 pm to Bamatab
quote:He doesn't have to kill him just incapacitate him temporarily. Like others have said in multiple meetings Amazo would probably win, but in a first time battle Loki would have the upper hand.
I just don't see how Loki kills Amazo.
Posted on 7/18/14 at 1:21 pm to Bamatab
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The linear thinking is what I think would help Amazo see through Loki's tricks. He won't get distracted like a human would. He could process his environment a lot more easily, especially with super senses that he has collected over the years.
That also means he much more predictable, and Loki can exploit that immediately.
In terms of creativity vs. logic, I'm going with creativity every time.
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How does Loki kill/incapacitate Amazo before Amazo can adapt to him if Loki is able to fool him temporarily?
Loki is powerful enough to buy some time to figure out his patterns. Once that's done, it's over.
Posted on 7/18/14 at 1:22 pm to Freauxzen
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Loki is the God of Trickery
This is the reason I'm still undecided between these two. Loki isn't going to beat Amazo in a straight up physical fight. But can he trick Amazo in some way. I remember an episode of Justice League Unlimited where Amazo defeated everyone in the JLA and it ended up that Lex talked Amazo into stopping the fight. So if Lex can do it, I'd assume Loki could.
But Lex did have advance knowledge of Amazo and what made him tick.............
Posted on 7/18/14 at 1:23 pm to Bamatab
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I'm at work, so I'll have to look it up later. But he has fought the Justice League when Zatanna was a part of the team. And if I remember correctly, he gained her power just like he did everyone else's. His power is to copy the abilities of others. Now where have I seen that limits which abilities he can copy.
It's Blue Beetle all over again.
Posted on 7/18/14 at 1:24 pm to Freauxzen
Loki could also turn into a super attractive fembot and seduce Amazo, then destroy him
This post was edited on 7/18/14 at 1:25 pm
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