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re: Israel Defense Force murders 4 children

Posted on 7/17/14 at 12:43 pm to
Posted by Poodlebrain
Way Right of Rex
Member since Jan 2004
19860 posts
Posted on 7/17/14 at 12:43 pm to
I'm not Haydo, but I'd like to answer your questions.
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* I recognize Israel as the homeland for the Jewish people, but also the homeland for the native Christian, Muslim, and people of other faiths. We can trace my family to the Galilee since the time of King David. Maacah and Absolom are in my family bloodlines. Would you say my family has the right to live in Israel with full rights?
You need to be more specific about which family members. If there were family members who had homes elsewhere at the creation of Israel, I would have a hard time saying they have the right to live in Israel.
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* The Palestinians who fled the war of Independence (Nakba) in 1948 were not permitted to return to their homes. Do you think it is fair that all of these people can not return to their homes, and if so - how do you justify that?
I do not believe all those who left voluntarily deserve the right of return. Those who can prove ownership of the home should have the right to return. Those who did not have title to the homes should not be able to return to property they abandoned. It may seem harsh, but tenants do not get the same rights as homeowners.
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* If I, as the son of a Palestinian Christian, can recognize the Jewish connection to the Holy Land - could you recognize the Palestinian connection? Do you think the Holy Land could survive (as it once did before) as a true Democratic state with equal rights for Jew, Christian, and Muslim?
Yes, the connection to the Holy Land is obvious for peoples of all religions. I don't believe that Muslims believe in equal rights for non-Muslims. Thus a true democracy encompassing the entire Holy Land would not result in equal rights for all.
Posted by Geauxrilla Ballz
S'port
Member since Jan 2009
672 posts
Posted on 7/17/14 at 1:09 pm to
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You need to be more specific about which family members. If there were family members who had homes elsewhere at the creation of Israel, I would have a hard time saying they have the right to live in Israel.


The creation of the State of Israel is 1948. I am first generation here in the US. My dad moved here in the late 60's. So, I have literally thousands of family members - aunts, uncles, cousins - all who have family roots thousands of years into the past. Literally, my family has always been in the Galilee, and are known as the "Defenders of Christianity" in the area.

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I do not believe all those who left voluntarily deserve the right of return. Those who can prove ownership of the home should have the right to return. Those who did not have title to the homes should not be able to return to property they abandoned. It may seem harsh, but tenants do not get the same rights as homeowners.


Most of the ones who fled CAN prove ownership, though the State of Israel does not acknowledge or recognize it. Their property was not "abandoned," they fled because of war and fear of being slaughtered. It was a war, a hostile takeover. If you want some first hand accounts of what happened, I can tell you some from my families direct experience.

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Yes, the connection to the Holy Land is obvious for peoples of all religions. I don't believe that Muslims believe in equal rights for non-Muslims. Thus a true democracy encompassing the entire Holy Land would not result in equal rights for all.


It did before, why shouldn't it again? So you are saying that if the Holy Land were like the US, where all faiths had equal rights - the Muslims wouldn't allow non-Muslims to be equals? Are you saying that historic Palestine, which indeed did exist, did not have a mixed population of Christian, Muslim, and Jew?
Posted by mmcgrath
Indianapolis
Member since Feb 2010
35475 posts
Posted on 7/17/14 at 1:39 pm to
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You need to be more specific about which family members. If there were family members who had homes elsewhere at the creation of Israel, I would have a hard time saying they have the right to live in Israel.
Why would you say this about a Palestinian but not an Isreali?
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