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re: FBD-Curing the Monday Blues at Russian River

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Posted by Salmon
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Posted on 7/14/14 at 8:52 pm to
kinda like a cover band...I guess
Posted by Kim Jong Ir
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Posted on 7/14/14 at 8:52 pm to
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I gave away 3 out of the last one I bought last year.


I remember that BXN, you bastard...


I never sent you any Mecha, I swear!!! I gave them to rutiger when he was here drinking one day.
Posted by Rouge
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Posted on 7/14/14 at 8:53 pm to
Cover Brew
Posted by urinetrouble
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Posted on 7/14/14 at 8:53 pm to
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They could, but for a brewery to successful, you also want to create your own style as well, or at least your own signature on a style.



If someone successfully copied Heady, admitted or not, we'd be all over that shite. I doubt it would ever come out EXACTLY the same such that someone would accuse them of plagiarism (has this ever occurred??? I'm curious).
Posted by Salmon
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Posted on 7/14/14 at 8:54 pm to
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If someone successfully copied Heady, admitted or not, we'd be all over that shite.


and there would be debates all over the internet about which one was better
Posted by Matisyeezy
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Posted on 7/14/14 at 8:55 pm to
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They could, but for a brewery to successful, you also want to create your own style as well, or at least your own signature on a style.



Absolutely, I agree! The last part of your statement, "signature on a style," is essentially what I was suggesting. Stand on the shoulders of giants. Take what is good and then make it better, at least in your eyes.
Posted by Salmon
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Posted on 7/14/14 at 8:57 pm to
I've talked to Andrew, the Great Raft owner (name drop bitches!) about this before, as he said he could reverse engineer Heady or ZD, but he would never do that because he wants people to like his own recipe/creation.
Posted by BottomlandBrew
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Posted on 7/14/14 at 8:58 pm to
SBD.

Posted by urinetrouble
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Posted on 7/14/14 at 8:58 pm to
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I won't name names, but considering one of the Nola guys and I shared a SW Dank Tank Red Hot Mama one night and he tried to tell me it was a sour, I'm not so sure some of the decision makers know any better.


Well, from what I know about the owner, he is a businessman, who was drinking a bottle of DIXIE when he realized it wasn't brewed in New Orleans anymore and the light-bulb went off to start a local brewery. So I'm not sure how passionate he is about making something world-class. He probably sees the Mecha is selling enough and doesn't see any reason to tweak it.

The head brewer at Nola used to be the brewmaster at DIXIE. Not exactly a great pedigree there.



Posted by Kim Jong Ir
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Posted on 7/14/14 at 8:59 pm to
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I won't name names, but considering one of the Nola guys and I shared a SW Dank Tank Red Hot Mama one night and he tried to tell me it was a sour, I'm not so sure some of the decision makers know any better.
Posted by urinetrouble
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Posted on 7/14/14 at 9:02 pm to
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I've talked to Andrew, the Great Raft owner (name drop bitches!) about this before, as he said he could reverse engineer Heady or ZD, but he would never do that because he wants people to like his own recipe/creation.



I've had a few other really good 100% citra beers that were around the same strength and quality as Zombie Dust. I love that style of beer and if somebody told me then that I was drinking Zombie Dust, it wouldn't have been far-fetched.
Posted by Kim Jong Ir
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Posted on 7/14/14 at 9:02 pm to
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He probably sees the Mecha is selling enough and doesn't see any reason to tweak it.



I guess this is true. Abita sells Jockamo, so why tweak the recipe of one the worst IPAs out there?

3BD is another Mecha. I am going to finish these so y'all don't have to listen to me complain about how meh they are.
This post was edited on 7/14/14 at 9:03 pm
Posted by Matisyeezy
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Posted on 7/14/14 at 9:02 pm to
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I doubt it would ever come out EXACTLY the same such that someone would accuse them of plagiarism (has this ever occurred??? I'm curious).



I googled up a Beer Advocate thread that doesn't produce any decisive (read: legal) answers, but it does basically express the difficulty in recreating something to a "T." There were some interesting anecdotes from brewers in there along the lines of a group of people with the same ingredients and same recipe submitting the "same" beer to a blind panel and the panel having wildly dissenting views about it. Run-on sentence. Oh well.

LINK

Posted by Kim Jong Ir
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Posted on 7/14/14 at 9:04 pm to
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I've had a few other really good 100% citra beers that were around the same strength and quality as Zombie Dust. I love that style of beer and if somebody told me then that I was drinking Zombie Dust, it wouldn't have been far-fetched.



Toppling Goliath comes to mind.
Posted by s14suspense
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Posted on 7/14/14 at 9:08 pm to
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If someone successfully copied Heady, admitted or not, we'd be all over that shite. I doubt it would ever come out EXACTLY the same such that someone would accuse them of plagiarism (has this ever occurred??? I'm curious).



I've always said that. We're 5 years behind trends already.
The only style or personal touch I care about is "good"
Posted by urinetrouble
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Posted on 7/14/14 at 9:08 pm to
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Toppling Goliath comes to mind.



Hill Farmstead Citra Pale Ale
Fuzzy Baby Ducks



Posted by BottomlandBrew
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Posted on 7/14/14 at 9:09 pm to
So many things go into making a beer. It is, after all, a living thing. Hell, most breweries can't even replicate their own beers when they start out. It takes getting to know a system and understanding your process to replicate beers that taste the same from batch to batch.
Posted by Kim Jong Ir
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Posted on 7/14/14 at 9:09 pm to
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The only style or personal touch I care about is "good"


Agreed. Good is timeless.
Posted by Salmon
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Posted on 7/14/14 at 9:10 pm to
FBD:



Man I love this beer. So happy to be able to get it locally now.
Posted by Kim Jong Ir
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Posted on 7/14/14 at 9:14 pm to
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Man I love this beer. So happy to be able to get it locally now.



I agree. SF was a nice addition to the LA market, if only for their Java Stout.
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